Pics of the new Sig 556
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Any of you guys ever talk to someone from Switzerland? Civillans pay about the same price for new PE90's over there that we do here in Canada.
Military, para-military and Police will almost always get a better deal on weapons than sport/civillian shooters. Companys like HK, Swiss Arms and Colt Defense/Canada give more attention to Military and Police organizations. Sport shooters are a lower priority. Not saying I agree with it, I wish it was otherwise but that's the way it is with some companys.
I'm just happy we have some of the these non-restricted guns available in Canada. It's tough to get weapons approved for import and into the Country. If someone thinks they can do it better and cheaper than the next guy/outfit be my guest. I'll give you my business if you can.
Rich
Military, para-military and Police will almost always get a better deal on weapons than sport/civillian shooters. Companys like HK, Swiss Arms and Colt Defense/Canada give more attention to Military and Police organizations. Sport shooters are a lower priority. Not saying I agree with it, I wish it was otherwise but that's the way it is with some companys.
I'm just happy we have some of the these non-restricted guns available in Canada. It's tough to get weapons approved for import and into the Country. If someone thinks they can do it better and cheaper than the next guy/outfit be my guest. I'll give you my business if you can.
Rich
Not that I am a retailer or anything, but I understand why there aren't too many who are willing to play the game and I'm grateful for those who step up to the plate.
So for everyone who feels somewhat abused when considering the price of a Swiss Arms rifle: what do you think a fair rate of return would be on that kind of capital investment and associated headache with importation/registration? If they cost $2000 each in volume of 100, that's $200,000 you need to fork out, likely half up front (6 to 12 months before the rifles show up) and the rest on delivery. Then you need to deal with both canada customs and the CFC, bonded couriers and finally take delivery, cross check all your paperwork, and then deal with the paperwork hassles of transfering to your clients. Then you need to pay for secure warehouse space, secure storefront space, and a bunch of monkeys to pass guns across the counter to the entire tirekicking canadian gun-interested demographic. I'm guessing for every one they sell, they have 100 people look.
Seems to me they should be entitled to make a bit of coin....and I'm grateful they took the trouble to get approved a different and high quality toy.
And it's also too bad that SigArms won't play ball like the swiss with respect to their marketing material and the canadian market. Given they're specifically marketing this toy to their 550-devoid american market, I guess we can't blame them.
Anyway....rant mode off.
Brobee
So for everyone who feels somewhat abused when considering the price of a Swiss Arms rifle: what do you think a fair rate of return would be on that kind of capital investment and associated headache with importation/registration? If they cost $2000 each in volume of 100, that's $200,000 you need to fork out, likely half up front (6 to 12 months before the rifles show up) and the rest on delivery. Then you need to deal with both canada customs and the CFC, bonded couriers and finally take delivery, cross check all your paperwork, and then deal with the paperwork hassles of transfering to your clients. Then you need to pay for secure warehouse space, secure storefront space, and a bunch of monkeys to pass guns across the counter to the entire tirekicking canadian gun-interested demographic. I'm guessing for every one they sell, they have 100 people look.
Seems to me they should be entitled to make a bit of coin....and I'm grateful they took the trouble to get approved a different and high quality toy.
And it's also too bad that SigArms won't play ball like the swiss with respect to their marketing material and the canadian market. Given they're specifically marketing this toy to their 550-devoid american market, I guess we can't blame them.
Anyway....rant mode off.
Brobee
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BigUglyMan
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Damn. Prohib. 
imagine_74714 said:
Not really -- gov't/LE/MIL sales are ALWAYS cheaper than civilian retail. You buy one - and want bulk pricing?
Colt sells M4A1's to the US Gov't for $464 USD (no rail, no sight) you think civilians will get that deal?
Face the fact that the non restricted "black" gun will command a premium, its seen in all of them available in Canada. However TSE has keep the lid
io it IMHO
-- remember the Sig550Snipers that where going to $10k...
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KevinB said:
2700 Swiss franks = $2560 CND, then there are the troubles of getting it here, etc. That makes the 3K not far off.
I would seriously consider getting one if I could get it for 2K or a bit more.
HeadDamage said:
The simple answer is that we can't, because there is not as much margin in them as you apparently think. We distribute the guns, and that means that dealers need to be able to make some money on them if they want to carry the line.
We don't get super pricing on the guns because our guns are made to different specs than the standard military guns, and we don't buy 1,000s. If you want to put together a 1,000 gun CGN order for us, then we should be able to get you a sizeable discount.
I'm with KevinB on this one, the new Sig rifle don’t excite me to much; I just which the green special was the same price.
Seems to me the problem in Canada is not dealers, but lack of quantity sales to bring the prices down. The more rifles TSE or Wolverine or whom ever sells the better there price break is. This in turn is seen in our retail prices for all firearms related purchases. I think the only way to solve the problem is to buy more black rifles. Get more people into the shooting game and we will see prices change eventually.....might take 50 yrs....lol . I don't know if I'm correct in thinking this way but I'm sure some one on here will enlighten me Now its time to phone a friend to see if I can bring them shooting tomorrow . Uhhhhhh....Redleg posted the above while I was typing my post so .......what he said....lol .
Seems to me the problem in Canada is not dealers, but lack of quantity sales to bring the prices down. The more rifles TSE or Wolverine or whom ever sells the better there price break is. This in turn is seen in our retail prices for all firearms related purchases. I think the only way to solve the problem is to buy more black rifles
. Get more people into the shooting game and we will see prices change eventually.....might take 50 yrs....lol . I don't know if I'm correct in thinking this way but I'm sure some one on here will enlighten me Now its time to phone a friend to see if I can bring them shooting tomorrow . Uhhhhhh....Redleg posted the above while I was typing my post so .......what he said....lol .
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Dealers in Canada used to be able to pull some amazing prices because everything used to be pretty much non-restricted and everyone could buy, and the US was buying so many it kept cost down. Add to that the stores had alot of competition between eachother.
Unfortunetly the situations have changed.
I also find it funny that people ##### and whine about the price of SIG rifles when they wouldnt even have to option to buy them if it wasnt for TSE. Alot of ungratefull gun owners with there hands out expecting everything from deallers at cost. Its sad and shows how many stupid people there are.
Unfortunetly the situations have changed.
I also find it funny that people ##### and whine about the price of SIG rifles when they wouldnt even have to option to buy them if it wasnt for TSE. Alot of ungratefull gun owners with there hands out expecting everything from deallers at cost. Its sad and shows how many stupid people there are.
I'm just saying that if they cost a bit less you sell a few more and maybe you make more money if you get the right balance. However, they might be at the right balance now. Either way they are great rifles but not cheap rifles
HeadDamage said:I'm just saying that if they cost a bit less you sell a few more and maybe you make more money if you get the right balance. However, they might be at the right balance now. Either way they are great rifles but not cheap rifles
The price is not going down....
