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i appreciate everything you have been willing to share with us, bearhunter, and please dont think i imagine the life you had to live as glorious or enviable, i have plenty of military background in my family, and having missed the chance to hear alot of their stories, i try to get anything i can from those that will share. i have heard from a very broad cross section of people who have bourne arms, from a guy who fought in the hungarian revolution as a 16 year old to a man who trained fighter pilots in ww2. lots dont want to share, my own father never fired a shot in anger despite his best efforts, but even he doesnt talk too much about it.

my dad remembers a kangaroo that was used as a general shop vehicle as late as the early 70s, gutted, used to shift heavy stuff once in a while
 
FFL is not a bad option at all for those who want to do something different. It's about half French nationals or was in the 1980s, but they have to pretend to be something else. Next down the list was Germans and Brits. But of course that was before Yugoslavia imploded or the collapse of the USSR. Food is good and after five years you can apply for French citizenship. Not a bad option at all for the young, fit and single. These days a French passport means you can live and work anywhere in the EU. Of course Spain or Portugal was giving passports to anyone who bought a house worth more than $1/4M a while back, and there's always marriage to an EU citizen as well. Something to think about if you want to have options.
 
Speaking of which...

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Battle of Bir Hakim.
 
Canadian Kangaroo. A cooler looking rig, IMHO.

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Historical note regarding the name "Kangaroo".

The name itself was a code-name for the location of an Advanced Workshop Detachment which stripped down the original 72 Priests and turned them into the world's
first APC.

The term Kangaroo devolved into the APC itself which was operated by the 1st Canadian Armoured Carrier Regiment, under command of the 79th BR Division.

Armatis Fundit
 
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FFL is not a bad option at all for those who want to do something different. It's about half French nationals or was in the 1980s, but they have to pretend to be something else.

Years ago (early 70's) I was a skydiver in Strasbourg France and there was a FFL compound on the same airfield that we jumped at, We were told to make sure that we didn't land inside their compound. The story was that a few years earlier someone did land in there and he didn't get out until the next day. We gave it a wide berth but I always wondered what they would do, though.....
 
Years ago (early 70's) I was a skydiver in Strasbourg France and there was a FFL compound on the same airfield that we jumped at, We were told to make sure that we didn't land inside their compound. The story was that a few years earlier someone did land in there and he didn't get out until the next day. We gave it a wide berth but I always wondered what they would do, though.....
Probably force you to drink with them!
 
Good link Dan, thanks! Always like learning more about our Canadian made product, I'm not overly familiar with the Ram, the only tank driver I ever knew sank a Sherman off Juno Beach one day in June.
 
With there having been made all sorts of movies about the 'Merican's and a good number about the British, the only real way we Canadians can find out about our military history is what we dig up ourselves. I think most of us on here would gladly pay $20 to go see a historical accurate movie made about a Canadian unit.
 
With there having been made all sorts of movies about the 'Merican's and a good number about the British, the only real way we Canadians can find out about our military history is what we dig up ourselves. I think most of us on here would gladly pay $20 to go see a historical accurate movie made about a Canadian unit.

Too bad really, there's so many amazing stories out there. Just amongst the handful of WWII vets I knew growing up there was a plethora of tales, some almost unbelievable. And considering none of them really chose to talk about the war all that much, I'm sure much, much more was left unsaid.
 
With there having been made all sorts of movies about the 'Merican's and a good number about the British, the only real way we Canadians can find out about our military history is what we dig up ourselves. I think most of us on here would gladly pay $20 to go see a historical accurate movie made about a Canadian unit.

I know I sure would. But only if it was accurate. Even movies like the Pacific left a lot of the really brutal stuff out and added some Hollywood to the storyline. Not that the brutality was the attractive feature of the story, just that the point is 'lest we forget'. Adding drama actually took away from the surreal nature of a few of the character's story lines in that one and added 'glory' to a brutal and disgusting struggle where there was no joy or happy time, only a feeling of 'what the hell just happened' at the end of it all.
 
I know I sure would. But only if it was accurate. Even movies like the Pacific left a lot of the really brutal stuff out and added some Hollywood to the storyline. Not that the brutality was the attractive feature of the story, just that the point is 'lest we forget'. Adding drama actually took away from the surreal nature of a few of the character's story lines in that one and added 'glory' to a brutal and disgusting struggle where there was no joy or happy time, only a feeling of 'what the hell just happened' at the end of it all.

I know Passchendaele wasn't popular among many of you, but I happened to find the battle recreations particularly stirring. I got into a long argument with some internet douche about the brutality of the fighting. He seemed to think it wasn't so. He felt that the movie portrayed the Germans as shiftless and Canadians as supermen. I still can't figure out what movie he saw.

I'd love to see something like Band of Brothers but during the Italian campaign with Canada's 1st Division. This way we'd have a look at Sicily, particularly Assoro, then on through to Ortona. "And No Birds Sang" would be a good basis for a series or film.
 
My father's war stories were about getting lost; running out of gas (anti-sub patrol in a Hudson bomber) and how airborne radar tipped the balance dramatically. Fairly benign stuff.

But on a deer hunt, several army veterans started talking (booze will do that) and it was clear that those who had been there had entirely different frames of reference than those of us who had not. One fellow told about taking 12 prisoners in an action behind enemy lines. They were taken to the basement of a building and shot.

The vets did not bat an eye. The others (like me) were upset to hear it and I never looked at that fellow the same way since. Unfair, I know.
 
Good link Dan, thanks! Always like learning more about our Canadian made product, I'm not overly familiar with the Ram, the only tank driver I ever knew sank a Sherman off Juno Beach one day in June.

I knew a tank driver, worked with him in the mid 70's. He was a tank driver in the Calgary Tanks, his fighting war lasted about an hour at Dieppe. Was the only survivor from his tank and spent the rest of the war as a pow. When I knew him he was probably 220 lbs of muscle, he told me that when he was liberated in 45 he weighed less than 150 lbs.

It is so right that the vets of the Italian campaign aren't recognized as much than they should be. A longtime friend/hunting partner was a vet of Italy. I asked him one time if he ever wanted to go back... his reply, "No I walked that country from the toe to the top once, seen enough of that country the first time".
In the spirit of telling "their stories" I will relate on of his. He was in a scout platoon over there, spent a lot of time at the "pointy end" of large operations. One time we were on a hunting trip and a gravel truck almost run us off the road. I commented about how my "pucker factor" was as high as it had ever been, he chuckled and said "not even close" . He and three other guys were on a recon and had climbed up into the top of a paddle wheel flour mill to gain elevation for their benefit. They were to spend the night there, make a report in the A.M. and them boogy out of there. But in the night a bunch of Germans moved in directly across the little river that ran the mill. Walt said the Germans were close enough that he could plainly hear them talking as he watched them shave by the waters edge. That was his "pucker factor" that he measured everything else against after that.
 
It was my uncle's father who sank in the tank. He was recognized for his actions that particular day, I believe the story is the whole crew had leapt out of the tank as it sank, they were dropped too far from shore and not in a duplex drive tank. The turret was the only thing left sticking out of the water, so the crew was huddled up behind it under machine gun and artillery fire. The tank commander was mortally wounded and fell into the water, he leapt off the tank under fire to keep his commanders head out of the water, but unfortunately he passed before it was safe to make it in to shore. He had to spend several hours in the water until things quieted down enough for the crew to make it ashore and wait to be issued another tank.
If I recall right, he lost three more tanks before Germany surrendered. One had the tracks blown off by a mine and they were pinned in the tank by sniper fire until after dark, had to spend the entire day a sitting duck during a battle. Another was hit by an anti tank round which penetrated the hull and lodged somewhere near his drivers seat but failed to light the tank on fire.
My great uncle was also in the infantry in Italy. He spoke very little of his experiences though. Despite somehow getting his service rifle home with him as well, he found he couldn't bring himself to shoot a gun for years after his return home. The only tale I can recall of his was riding in a truck somewhere in Italy, the soldier next to him was struck through the head by a snipers bullet. While they all dove for cover, the man jumped up and started running at the shot. He made it 100 yards back down the road before collapsing, dead.
The tales my great grandfathers left behind of the first war too are sometimes quite shocking and brutal. I recall my great aunt and grandfather discussing his war diary (which is unfortunately lost to the family now), he spoke of moving at night with full kit to avoid snipers and artillery attack. More than once they arrived at their destination short one or two men who had slid off the path in the muck and drowned in shell holes without so much as a sound.
 
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My Grandad on the right second guy back, King George just finished blessing them before going off to france for battle. One of my Grandads uniforms was a buffalo jacket, hey carried a side arm that only officers got issued so he ordered his from the sears catalog prior to heading off. Tough man, shot twice, various metals, died at 101 years old
 
''Wow'' you ask a guy to elaborate...:)
Thank you bearhunter, you helped fit some pieces together. As I sorta mentionned this is(''decolonisation''), in my opinion, one of the most interesting eras of the 20th century. You have been MOST kind to offer your experience.

Pic of the day rules!!
 
Some info gleaned re: the M29 Weasel.

The Weasel was a Pyke concept (of "Pykrete" fame) manufactured by Studebaker. It was to be used by the 1st SSF when harassing the Germans in Norway during Operation Plough.

Early photoshop, I reckon:
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World's slowest drag race:
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Amphib version:
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