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sail32 said:
Diefenbaker did not just kill an aircraft design, he killed an entire section of the international aircraft industry for Canada.
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To be fair he had to do it, the only shame is he didn't do it much earlier in the project. Look at the amount of the budget that was allocated to the Arrow, and you will realize there was no other option. The aircraft was supposed to cost 2 million, but ended up costing 12 million.

Either we got the Arrow (which we couldn't have sold internationally, as the US wouldn't allow it), or we had a military.
 
All hail the pointiest jet of all, the F-102 Delta Dagger:

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The 104 was pointy at the front. The 102 was pointy from all angles...

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And they had a powerful magnetic effect on women:

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"Well, miss, this here is the front end. Nothing phallic at all about this. Carry on."

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There's something about delta wings. What a pure design. So damn slick.
 
The F-102A Delta Dagger in Stephenville, Newfoundland, in memoriam of former USAF airfield Ernest Harmon AFB that existed in that town until 1966.

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sail32 said:
Diefenbaker did not just kill an aircraft design, he killed an entire section of the international aircraft industry for Canada.
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Read the book "Fall of an Arrow" and you will be enlighten by how American politics persuaded Dief to kill our program.
 
bush1 said:
I was stationed at 4 Wing Baden Soellingen in the early 70's working on 104's when the crash bells went off one day. An American F4 was nearby and had a double engine flameout and asked for emergency landing as he thought he could make the glide work. He told his GIB (guy in the backseat) that he had the option to bail out or ride it in with him. The GIB elected to stay on board. Well, he extended his base to final a little too much and his landing gear caught the airbase perimeter fence. At this time the GIB decided to depart the fix so he ejected. The pilot stayed on board and took out most of the lead in lights and came to a stop as the radome was just at the runway threshold. He hopped out and walked away unscathed.

There was no fire and there was very little damage to the bird which is a testament to how rugged they were.
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And as he walked away "damn I told that pump jockey to top er up good, last time I'll fill up there"
 
"he extended his base to final a little too much and his landing gear caught the airbase perimeter fence."

I have see this happen a number of times. My flying instructor warned me that the glide with the engine at idle was still better than the glide with no engine at all, and if I tried to glide to a landing using a normal approach, I could fall short. He said in an emergency I should plan on a higher or faster approach. His said better to have a low speed crash at the far end of the runway than a high speed crash short of the runway.

One day I had an out of gas emergency, lost the engine (Mooney) and had to glide to a runway. I crossed the fence 30 knots fast, but as soon as I put the gear down, it bled away quickly. A perfect landing.

i have seen crashes of military planes because they were not refuelled on a stop over and the pilots took off without checking. Civie pilots have to pay for gas, so tend to be more aware of it.
 
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“Vought OS2U Kingfisher floatplane, from USS North Carolina (BB-55) off Truk with nine aviators on board, awaiting rescue by USS Tang(SS-306), 1 May 1944. The plane had landed inside Truk lagoon to recover downed airmen. Unable to take off with such a load, it then taxied out to Tang, which was serving as lifeguard submarine during the 29 April-1 May carrier strikes on Truk.”
 
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Great angle to illustrate some alterations to the F-4 Phantom as licence built in Britain for the Royal Navy. By the late ‘60s HMS Ark Royal IV was a fairly old design, dwarfed by America’s Forrestal-class and all that followed them. The weight of the Phantom was a big ask of Ark Royal’s comparatively short length catapults, powerful as they were. A simple solution to relieve some stress was to increase the aircraft’s takeoff attitude - with a telescopic nosewheel that extended by 40 inches.
The drawback is just as plainly visible in this photo as the extension. With reheat engaged for takeoff, the deck was scorched; and since British Phantoms were also redesigned to use the more powerful Rolls-Royce Spey turbofans, the problem was compounded. At first a steel plate was attached to the deck and cooled by fire hoses after each launch. After a refit in 1967 however, Ark Royal gained water cooled jet blast deflectors, capable of surviving the heat.
When cross-decking with U.S. carriers, these British relatives with higher exhaust temperatures caused serious damage to deck plates.
 
sail32 said:
Diefenbaker did not just kill an aircraft design, he killed an entire section of the international aircraft industry for Canada.
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Diefenbaker just finished the work C. D. Howe began. Howe is the one who ordered Avro not to proceed with the Jetliner, thereby giving Boeing eight years to catch up. I've read he later got a gold medal from the US aeronautical industry. I'm not sure what for.:rolleyes:

The Jetliner was reportedly cut in half in its hanger the weekend before the Boeing 707 was rolled out. The plane that coined the term "jetliner", carried the first jet airmail in North America and only missed being the first passenger jet in the air by a couple of weeks (Dehavilland Comet just made it, then started blowing up in the air due to failure of square window frames).

Good thing I don't believe in "conspiracies":rolleyes:

"Uncle thanks you for being good boys and doing as you're told."

Look at the number of views on these videos: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=avro+jetliner :onCrack: Canadians would rather watch hockey I guess! LOL
 
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I have dug out a few of my photos from the early 1980s. Old memories as I went through dozens of pictures.

F4 ACE with three Kill Badges on the left air intake.

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You can see the subtle differences between the Dagger and these Darts.
 
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Cdn303 said:
I watch a documentary last week called "Reunion of Giants". It was of taking VeRA back to the home country for a visit. It was very cool. The other Brit Lanc is not "Boomer". It is "Thumper"

Neat fact. VeRA if fitted to carry passengers, whereas 'Thumper" is still as she left the factory.
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You are right and I stand corrected, it's Thumper.
 
Sqr said:
Here is a very rare bird indeed as I was lucky enough to take a 1986 picture of this U. S. Navy F21A KFIR

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Well, well. When was the last time the USAF bought a foreign produced aircraft before that? A Dassault Mirage airframe I see, with a P&W J79 engine that dates back to the 1950s and also powers our Iroquois class destroyers. IIRC the drawings for the Mirage were a little feather in the Mossad's cap back in the 1970s.

Speaking of Iroquois: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orenda_Iroquois The engine that would have pushed the Arrow well past Mach 2.
 
RRCo. said:
Well, well. When was the last time the USAF bought a foreign produced aircraft before that? A Dassault Mirage airframe I see, with a P&W J79 engine that dates back to the 1950s and also powers our Iroquois class destroyers. IIRC the drawings for the Mirage were a little feather in the Mossad's cap back in the 1970s.

Speaking of Iroquois: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orenda_Iroquois The engine that would have pushed the Arrow well past Mach 2.
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These are Israeli models that can be distinguished by the Canards on the forward fuselage. This example is from The "Top Gun" school as a member of their aggressor squadron.
 
Sqr said:
Here is a very rare bird indeed as I was lucky enough to take a 1986 picture of this U. S. Navy F21A KFIR

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RRCo. said:
Well, well. When was the last time the USAF bought a foreign produced aircraft before that? A Dassault Mirage airframe I see, with a P&W J79 engine that dates back to the 1950s and also powers our Iroquois class destroyers. IIRC the drawings for the Mirage were a little feather in the Mossad's cap back in the 1970s.

Speaking of Iroquois: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orenda_Iroquois The engine that would have pushed the Arrow well past Mach 2.
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Sqr said:
These are Israeli models that can be distinguished by the Canards on the forward fuselage. This example is from The "Top Gun" school as a member of their aggressor squadron.
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Interesting story about the KFIR, the plans were stolen from the Swiss who were building them under licence from France. It took about a year or more as there were about 5,000 separate plans to copy! The conduit was a disaffected senior member of the company building the plane who had access to the plans!
 
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