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MANPADS is a threat to every aircraft below about about 12,000 ft or so. If you can operate above those altitudes, employing precision guided munitions, you need not worry too much about them. But if your ordnance is guns, rockets, or dumb bombs, you need to get down there. Your opponent may not have any MANPADS, or only a handful of them, and the issue becomes about balancing risk.

Verba is very new in the world of MANPADS, and claims a multi-spectral imaging IR seeker, which is likely very resistant to countermeasures. Most older MANPADS have only single- or dual-band guidance.

So where does that leave low-operating aircraft like the A-10? Could the availability of this new, better system be part of the reason for the imminent mothballing of this aircraft?
 
So where does that leave low-operating aircraft like the A-10? Could the availability of this new, better system be part of the reason for the imminent mothballing of this aircraft?

Verba is not the impetus for the long sought, often delayed, still undetermined demise of the A-10. Its just the latest example of increasingly unfriendly skies, if you will. The A-10 has been able to continue fighting in spite of threats like MANPADS because it is very tough (able to take punishment), very capable (able to operate with a wide variety of both dumb and smart munitions), and frankly, there is no viable replacement as yet.
 
So where does that leave low-operating aircraft like the A-10? Could the availability of this new, better system be part of the reason for the imminent mothballing of this aircraft?

These things are hideously expensive, only the Americans can afford them, but in very limited numbers. You just have to overwhelm them with simple technology. :)

Grizz
 
Just so we don't lose sight of this being a picture thread. This day in history, 100 years ago:

British Mark IV 'male' tank

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24 April 1918: Tanks meet for the first time, at Villers-Bretonneux in France, where three British Mark IVs fought against three German A7Vs. Two of the three Mark IVs were 'females', armed only with machine guns, and were damaged and forced to withdraw. The 'male' Mark IV, armed with six pounders, hit and disabled the lead A7V and forced the two remaining enemy vehicles to withdraw.
 
From February 8 1945 one of the luckiest men in the R.C.A.F. was Flying Officer R.M. Tegerdine of Oakland, California. The photograph shows what was left of his aircraft following its crash on the roof of a building in Belgium, and from which he crawled unhurt (RCAF photo)

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The concept that an operating altitude of 12,000 feet or more is a safety zone is probably out dated. Amateur rocket team launches rocket to 73.1 miles

https://rocketry.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/amateur-rocket-team-launches-rocket-to-73-1-miles/

The 12,000 ft figure is an approximation of the upper altitude envelope of most Manportable Air Defense Systems (MANPADS). Most cannot reach that high, some will do somewhat better.

You're aware your 'amateur rocket' example is not a MANPADS, right?

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From February 8 1945 one of the luckiest men in the R.C.A.F. was Flying Officer R.M. Tegerdine of Oakland, California. The photograph shows what was left of his aircraft following its crash on the roof of a building in Belgium, and from which he crawled unhurt (RCAF photo)

He sure did a comprehensive job of it - he managed to take the nose, tail, and guts off her, but the carnage didn't extend to the cockpit. I hope he sent flowers and a good bottle of booze to R.J. Mitchell's widow for that.

When they weren't crashing them, they were giving them away:

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Agree. But really given the targets of choice is an A-10 going to be any more effective than the planes we fancy? Four 20mms with linger time and various upgraded air to ground packages have to say something to bad guys, no?

The simple answer is yes the A10 is a lot more effective. The surviveability and pilot protection is second to none in a Warthog. Remember it was designed in consultation with the greatest ground attack pilot of all time. Rudel. Old aircraft designs have basically no chance of survival against even the limited AA capability of insurgent type forces. In addition the A10 can carry way more ordinance. Nostalgia is great, I love those old planes but they simply can't cut it in today's world.
 
The simple answer is yes the A10 is a lot more effective. The surviveability and pilot protection is second to none in a Warthog. Remember it was designed in consultation with the greatest ground attack pilot of all time. Rudel.

IIRC, the extent of his involvement (Hans-Ulrich Rudel, a pretty fervent Nazi) was a symposium where he spoke, attended by A-10 program staff, and the fact that the book Stuka Pilot was required reading.
 
The T-35 was part of the "leviathan" movement in tank design in the 1930's. Absolute madness. When in doubt, make it bigger, heavier, slower, and start adding turrets like you're building a naval vessel.

The English gave it a go:

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And the Germans.

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And the Japanese.

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The Poles had one on paper, but then got wise and stopped development. The concept never really worked that well.

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Just so we don't lose sight of this being a picture thread. This day in history, 100 years ago:

British Mark IV 'male' tank

6301684_f496.jpg


24 April 1918: Tanks meet for the first time, at Villers-Bretonneux in France, where three British Mark IVs fought against three German A7Vs. Two of the three Mark IVs were 'females', armed only with machine guns, and were damaged and forced to withdraw. The 'male' Mark IV, armed with six pounders, hit and disabled the lead A7V and forced the two remaining enemy vehicles to withdraw.

after the skirmish the Crew of the Mk IV were heard shouting at the Hun WHO'S YOUR DADDY :)
 

FV4005 Stage II.

Great gun, in theory, but...

That turret was a giant target, and only 1/2" thick - a Garand firing AP could punch holes in it. It kept the crew out of the rain, but not much else. And unbalanced. Given the power of the gun, and how top heavy the design was, it was entirely possible for it to knock itself over if firing to the side.
 
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