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We're all familiar, I'm sure, with the M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage.

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Four .50's on a half track. Pretty hard on low-flying aircraft, and absolute hell on soft ground targets. Well, until yesterday I didn't know there was a similar device - the M15:

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A similar recipe - two .50s and a 37mm auto cannon. Used alongside the M16 and with substantial success in Italy and Normandy.

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In regards to those Gun Motor Carriages .....between an attacking aircraft and the gunners on the ground, who would have the upper hand in a one one situation?

Would the maneuverability of the airplane be a decisive advantage over the firepower of the Gun Motor Carriage? Or does it all come down to the operating skills of
either the gun crew or pilot?

If given a choice, I would have a difficult time choosing which position I'd prefer to be in.
 
A lot of AA defense works on the theory of throwing enough $hit up there until somebody flies into it. Those quad 50s really came into their own in Korea where they could take the starch out massed attacks by the Chinese.
 
Coming up on the 10th anniversary of the sinking of the South Korean Pohang class corvette ROKS Cheonan (PCC-772) on March 26, 2010:

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I bought about a 1000 assorted pistols way back when from Israel. Many were picked up from battlefields.
4 of the Browning Hi-Powers were Egyptian marked but 3/4 of each pistol was burned to bare metal and the
the cartridge had ignited in the chamber but only extracted 1/4 of the way so you could see the exploded case
from the bullet wedged in the half open chamber. The right side of the gun was burned but only half burned.

Finally found out they were on tank crew in the holster when the tank was hit and burned. This explained the less heated side was up against
a wet body for insulation and protection. less burnt. Shell exploded in mag and chamber but holster
 
purple said:
A lot of AA defense works on the theory of throwing enough $hit up there until somebody flies into it. Those quad 50s really came into their own in Korea where they could take the starch out massed attacks by the Chinese.
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An old guy I used to know talked of American ships in U-Boat Alley of of Portsmouth as they lined up to unload. The Canadian ships were equipped with Oerlikon guns for air defence but the American ships, as he put it, had .50 Brownings hung on every available railing, and, he claimed, that very few had sights.
 
purple said:
A lot of AA defense works on the theory of throwing enough $hit up there until somebody flies into it. Those quad 50s really came into their own in Korea where they could take the starch out massed attacks by the Chinese.
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Back in the 80's, I was guiding a New Jersey resident on an Ab. deer hunt. He was an ex AA gunner on the USS Missouri until 2 weeks before the end of the war. One day, on our hunt we came across a coyote running across a field 250 yrds or so out. He missed that yote 3 running shots before it got to the bush....his only comment when he got back into the truck " If Id'a had the same "quad" I shot O's out of the sky with for 4 years he would have never made it".

Another couple of comments that he made have stuck with me. One was that he claimed not much fear was felt while in the battle zones from enemy aircraft until the Japs started the "Kamikazi" attacks, then those planes became flying bombs with a dope up, guided & thinking, bomb sight sitting in the seat.

The second was that it was a good thing he was transferred from the Missouri to a destroyer two weeks before the surrender... "That old Jap signed the surrender papers on the deck right below my gun position and Id've shot that old bastard if I was still there".
 
Dark Alley Dan said:
Yeah, that sounds comprehensive as hell. Can't picture a gun being good for much after something like that.

Speaking of which, here's a Sherman past the point of "buffing out":

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I know the discussion is settled on this, but I just found a pic of an M1 that lost a fight with a giant IED in Iraq, so it is certainly probable.

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Would an IED based one buried 155mm HE projectile do that or it takes a few?

Scenes from Hurt Locker come to mind especially cluster of HE wired together.
 
donor said:
Would an IED based one buried 155mm HE projectile do that or it takes a few?

Scenes from Hurt Locker come to mind especially cluster of HE wired together.
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My guess is someone found a unexploded five hundred pound aerial bomb, stuffed it in a culvert, and waited for a HVT to roll atop it. Even the Turks had a rough time with the Leopard 2A5 in Dec 2016 at Al-Bab against ISIS.
 
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