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I thought it was a little implausible that B17s were flying across occupied Europe in 1943 to bomb Tunis and sure enough, it's BS:

ht tp://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbird-articles/wwiis-b-17-all-american-separating-fact-fiction.html

The raid was flown from Algeria and this might well be the raid referred to by Paul Tibbetts in his memoirs where he mentions how a future four star USAF general and NATO Europe commander ordered a low level raid that Tibbets said would cause unnecessary casualties - which it did. The officer in question refused to fly on the raid when Tibbets offered to be his pilot, and according to Tibbets, never flew on any combat operation. If I find his book, I'll add the details.

The last survivor of the B17s crew: ht tp://bartonfuneral.com/2013/02/18/ralph-burbridge/

A B-17 WAR STORY
THE "ALL AMERICAN" AIRCRAFT TAIL #- 124406

A mid-air collision on 1, February 1943, between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area, became one of the most famous photographs of W-II.

An enemyfighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, and then coninued its crashing decent into the rear of the fuselage of a B-17 flying fortress named "ALL AMERICAN", piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414 Bomb Squadron. When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17. The left horizontal stabilizer and left elevator were torn away. The two right engines were out and one on the left had an oil leak. The vertical fin and rudder were damaged and the fuselage had been cut almost completely through, connected only by two small parts of the air frame and the radios, with the electrical and oxygen systems damaged. There was also a hole over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and a split in the fuselage that went all the way to the top of the gunners turret>

Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed, except one elevator cable, the aircraft still flew - miraculously! The tail gunner was trapped as there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the aircraft. The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their parachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the sides of the fuselage from splitting apart. While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.

When the bomb bay doors opened the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes, four crew members and ropes made from parachute cord to haul him back into the forward part of the aircraft. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding stability to the tail section, so he stayed at his position.

The turn torward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was loosinf altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more ME- 109 German fighters attacked "THE ALL AMERICAN". Despite the extensive damage, all the machine gunners were able to respond to drive off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out of the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their guns. The tail gunner had to fire in short bursts as the recoil was causing the aircraft to turn.

P-51 "Mustang" fighters intercepted the B-17 as it was crossing the Channel to escort it to safety. They radioed the base describing that the tail was waving like a fish tail and they did not think it would make it to shore and send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out. The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relayed to the base. He signaled that the parachutes were used to hold the craft together and they would stay with the plane and land it.

Two and a half hours later, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway 40 miles away. It decended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.
 
I once took off with one end of the passenger seat seat belt flapping outside the door. It made a terrible racket. Until I figured out what was causing the noise, I thought I had a serious structural problem.

I can't imagine the wind noise and the racket caused by a 50 BMG flapping in a 200mph wind and pounding the side of the plane. Looks like they took a flack round in the nose. I wonder if the entire crew came down with it, or did most bail when back to England?

I imagine the 200 MPH wind softly wafting up past your ankles, over your head, and thence gently down the length of the fuselage might distract one a titch from any drama outside the airplane.

The upside would be the wind carrying away the smell of what one had freshly deposited in one's flight suit.
 
Seen these pictures before. I may be wrong but I believe that it was another aircraft, can't remember the story now.

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A bit of sturdy material left on this side, but still a real tribute to the build quality of the Boeing products.

More "bad day at work" pics:

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(Gunter hit that one VERY square, and it flew on like nothing. Damn, that's got to be frustrating.)

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God rest the men lost.
 
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You lot know about the "5 Grand"?

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B17 # 5000, signed by everyone in the plant.

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From Warbird Central:

B-17G 43-37716 “5 Grand” flew its combat tour with the 338th Bomb Sq, 96th BG. Much publicity surrounded the aircraft when it departed the Boeing factory, the crew being handpicked from among members of the 486th BG who were native to the Seattle area. 2LT Edward C. Unger was her first pilot, but the aircraft was taken from them upon arrival in England and assigned to the 96th.

By the end of the war it had completed 78 missions plus 2 food missions and two PoW trips.

Plane was flown back to USA by crew of 560th BS, 388th BG). Plane was flown to Kingman AAD, sold for salvage Jul 1, 1946, and cut up for scrap before it could be used as a memorial.

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And what would she be worth, in money and memories, today?
 
^ I for one find the aerial pictures of row, upon row, upon row of bombers post WWII awaiting the scrapman hard to look at.
 
They still make them that tough... Well, they made the planes that tough into the 70's... They Pentagon can't kill the plane, no matter how often they try, because the pilots keep showing why it's the infantryman's favourite plane.

I'll see if I can find a wooden nickle for the first person to name the plane, pilot, mission, and date (no cheating by looking at the image URL's).

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_(pilot)

Kim Campbell. And I didn't cheat.

April 2003. Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The damage occurred when she was flying a mission over Baghdad on 7 April 2003. "We did our job with the guys there on the ground, and as we were on our way out is when I felt the jet get hit. It was pretty obvious — it was loud... I lost all hydraulics instantaneously, and the jet rolled left and pointed toward the ground, which was an uncomfortable feeling over Baghdad. It didn't respond to any of my control inputs." She tried several procedures to get the aircraft under control, none of which worked; last, she put the plane into manual reversion, meaning she was flying the aircraft without hydraulics. The aircraft immediately responded. "The jet started climbing away from the ground, which was a good feeling because there was no way I wanted to eject over Baghdad." With some technical advice from her flight leader, Lieutenant Colonel Turner, she flew the injured plane for an hour back to the air base. "The jet was performing exceptionally well. I had no doubt in my mind I was going to land that airplane." Landing was tricky: "When you lose all the hydraulics, you don't have speed brakes, you don't have brakes, and you don't have steering."

Kim Campbell's A-10 suffered extensive damage.
For this action in aerial combat she was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross.

On the ground it was discovered that her A-10 had sustained damage to one engine and to the redundant hydraulic systems, disabling the flight controls, landing gear and brakes, and horizontal stabilizer. A detailed inspection revealed hundreds of holes in the airframe and that large sections of the stabilizer and hydraulic controls were missing.

"She's one of the few pilots who ever landed the A-10 in the manual mode," said General Richard Myers, USAF, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
 
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More "bad day at work" pics:



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God rest the men lost.

Hard to believe he could fly that plane home with so much wing missing on one side and no power on the other. Approach speed must have been about 250 k.

I can understood the desire to fly home, but he risked his life to try to land it. I think I would have bailed rather than risking a slow roll into the turf.

Found this on Google:

Severely damaged De Havilland Mosquito FB Mark VI, MM401 'SB-J', of No. 464 Squadron RAAF based at Hunsdon, Hertfordshire, parked at Friston Emergency Landing Ground, Sussex. The aircraft, flown by Squadron Leader A G Oxlade (pilot) and Flight Lieutenant D M Shanks (navigator), was hit by anti-aircraft fire while attacking a flying-bomb site in the Pas de Calais on 21 February 1944. The port engine was shattered, and the port undercarriage and most of the outer starboard wing was blown off. Despite the damage, the crew flew MM401 back and crash-landed safely at Friston ELG. The port engine nacelle is seen here supported by a caterpillar tractor to enable the aircraft to be moved off the runway. The aircraft was initially categorised as repairable (Category B), but this was changed to a write-off (Category E) after the full extent of the damage became clear.

Note: Squadron Leader A G Oxlade was killed in operations on D-Day.
 
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The A-10 was supposed to be phased out of service a long time ago. It reminds me of the DC3 and the 1911. A design that works well for the intended purpose.

I think it is still in service.

Still flying missions against ISIS/ISIL/Whatever the acronym of the moment is for those homicidal maniacs. The Air Force hates it, it isn't snazzy/modern/fast enough. They've repeatedly tried to drop it from inventory. The Army keeps lobbying the Pentagon and Congress to tell the AF to keep it. The pilots who fly it follow them over to the National Guard when their squadron gets surplussed, rather than be forced into flying anything else.

Whenever the Army lobbies Congress about the AF trying to dump the A-10, the basic line goes "The Air Force trying to get rid of these is proof they don't care about the lives of ground pounders." Considering it was designed for tank busting and not Close Air Support, there's nothing else in the Air Force inventory that can fill the CAS roles as well, and nothing on the horizon either.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell_(pilot)

Kim Campbell. And I didn't cheat.

April 2003. Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Dangit, now I'm gonna have to go to the garage and whittle a wooden nickle to send you.
 
While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.

When the bomb bay doors opened the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes, four crew members and ropes made from parachute cord to haul him back into the forward part of the aircraft. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding stability to the tail section, so he stayed at his position.

The turn torward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was loosinf altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more ME- 109 German fighters attacked "THE ALL AMERICAN". Despite the extensive damage, all the machine gunners were able to respond to drive off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out of the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their guns. The tail gunner had to fire in short bursts as the recoil was causing the aircraft to turn.

The greatest generation...humbling to be walking in their shadow.
 
^ I for one find the aerial pictures of row, upon row, upon row of bombers post WWII awaiting the scrapman hard to look at.

Yeah, me too. Seems enormously wasteful.

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Sometimes the general lack of foresight of people aggravates the hell out of me.

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Any one of these old girls, in the condition they were scrapped in at Kingman, would be $2+M today.

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And they're still at it today.

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That's horrifying.

Every time I see pics of the Kingman boneyard, I am reminded of the final scene of The Best days of our Lives.

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Those airplanes meant something beyond their basic utility. They were important things. And then they were cut up like they were nothing.

I understand the mindset of the time - war's over, let's get on with it and put it behind us - but to so ruthlessly destroy the tools that allowed people the opportunity to move on with their lives after a war seems terribly cold-hearted.
 
Terribly short-sighted too. How many Flower class corvettes are left? At least there's a few Sherman tanks parked outside of Legion buildings here and there.
 
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