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I tip my hat to everyone of you fine men that did this in the line of protecting the US and Canada.

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I remember a movie of which the name escapes me, of a lady senator who was anti forces took a ride in a Hercules and watched the guys jump out the back. She sat there stone faced and in amazement kept repeating, "they just jumped out into the dark!". This completely changed her mind on what you gentleman do. Yes it was a movie but we know in real life you guys are extremely brave.
 
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IIRC, the military adapted T-10 chutes by cutting 'TU' slots to give some forward airspeed and controllability. Moot since military drops are done much lower to minimize scattering of sticks and exposure to enemy fire.

Civilian 'TU's I recall had a five gore separation and I had a pal whose flat circular Lo-Po (low porosity) canopy had a 7 gore separation. We tried it on a normal rip stop canopy and it was not a success, resulting in pretty hard landings if you weighed over 150 lbs. I took one with me to Germany and the Rhine Army Parachute Association condemned it on the spot.
They also condemned the 'one shot' capewells some Canadian jumpers showed up with which were a modification of the regular capewells to release the risers as soon as you popped the safety covers! That possibly saved a few lives!

Since their instructors were all Brit Paras and graduates of the French Para school at Pau and the free fall centre at Chalon-sur-Soane, I wasn't going to argue. You might recall a Picture of the Duke of Edinburgh speaking to a Para equipped for HALO with an oxygen mask. He was a Royal Engineer Corporal at the time who became RAPA Chief Instructor at Sennelager during my time there.

The Paracommander was made of Lo-Po fabric, the apex pulled down into the canopy which supposedly generated more pressure towards the slots. The Brits would not allow it to be used by 'dope ropers', relegating it to those doing over 10 seconds delays in order to achieve terminal velocity, which they thought necessary for best deployment.

My recollection is that at terminal velocity or when emerging from a "max track" trying to get to the desired opening point, the opening shock was noticeable. Many times I looked up to see my feet above my head, little white stars dancing before my eyes .....

so my little brown, barely used, logbook has 3 entries S/L etc then 4 TRCP then a few CP last two were marked with P/C ... fwiw
 
I tip my hat to everyone of you fine men that did this in the line of protecting the US and Canada.

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I remember a movie of which the name escapes me, of a lady senator who was anti forces took a ride in a Hercules and watched the guys jump out the back. She sat there stone faced and in amazement kept repeating, "they just jumped out into the dark!". This completely changed her mind on what you gentleman do. Yes it was a movie but we know in real life you guys are extremely brave.


In the interest of absolute accuracy .... the above could be said of Sharps '63 and others. But certainly not me! In my case I only did it because I got fed up listening to the other guys talking about the 'jump school this' and the 'jump school that' etc etc (as though anyone that hadnt been there was a pansy!) and when I applied to get on a serial it was always 'full' ... so I went to a civilian school: the Saturday I arrived I spent most of the first part of the morning signing forms to the effect that if I got "injured" it was absolutely my own fault! then around 11:00 am we jumped off orange crates (well maybe they were a little higher) then hung in the harness for a bit and pulled on the steering toggles. Around three o'clock (after signing again that it was ALL my own fault!) I was standing with my right foot on the wheel of a Cessna 185 and the other - with bended knee on the left - higher on the wheel strut hanging on the wing strut ... watching the instructor ... wind blowing like mad and the engine roaring - reminding myself that if I saw a church spire (Unlikely!) I was not supposed to look at it! ... I only went back again after that - at least for a little bit - because there was this 'not bad' looking girl there that wore tight pants with a good ass!!


(edit to add ... the only part of this experience that was even remotely 'military' was when the pilot turned to us the first time before we took off and told us not 'to fxxk around with our emergency chutes while we were in the aircraft and that if it deployed we were going out the fxxking door with it toute fxxking suite!' )
 
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I tip my hat to everyone of you fine men that did this in the line of protecting the US and Canada.

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Thank You!


I remember a movie of which the name escapes me, of a lady senator who was anti forces took a ride in a Hercules and watched the guys jump out the back. She sat there stone faced and in amazement kept repeating, "they just jumped out into the dark!". This completely changed her mind on what you gentleman do. Yes it was a movie but we know in real life you guys are extremely brave.


You may be thinking of an NCIS episode. IIRC, Gibb's reply was 'that's what they do for you".
 
On one serial, we had a drop dead pretty female Lt. from the British Military Police. She wanted to have something in common with her fiancée who was a Lt. in the Paras so she signed up for a three week free fall course with RAPA. It took you from '0' to a 45 second delay, first jump on the third day of training with a self packed parachute - packed under supervision, of course.

Students generally quit on the 3rd or 4th jump and right on cue, she applied to withdraw from the course. I took her to the Chief Instructor and jointly we prevailed upon her to soldier on as once she left, the men would follow like rats leaving a sinking ship. To her credit, she did, making at least one static line jump a day for the remainder of the course but never into free fall.

Her fiancée had every reason to be proud of her.


I only went back again after that - at least for a little bit - because there was this 'not bad' looking girl there that wore tight pants with a good ass!!
 
getting back to other curves, Mallow, BE-10

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Beriev has a thing for jet-powered flying boats. Saw one of these parked on the ramp at Ft. Mac a few years ago:

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And, to keep it military, here's their model 12:

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Great looking thing. It's a fishing cabin you can have on any lake big enough to take off from.
 
I tip my hat to everyone of you fine men that did this in the line of protecting the US and Canada.

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Anybody who willingly jumps out of an aircraft that isn't gloriously in flames or has become an unpowered glider should be declared nuts and locked up to protect themselves!!!

If man was meant to fly (or drop) he would have wings!! :d:d:d

A tip of the :cheers: to those who are crazy enough to do this not once, but many times.
 
Airborne ops are pretty much passé, although airborne troops on light equipment scales are very useful for air delivery before heavier equipped troops arrive. Airborne troops are well trained and highly motivated and can be deployed before anyone else to secure key objectives, like airfields and other facilities, for follow on forces.

The German airborne assault on Crete, while successful, was a pyrrhic victory. Losses were so high that the Germans abandoned airborne operations for the remainder of WW2, altho they did maintain paratroop formations which fought as conventional infantry. It was hard to weave airborne operations into what was essentially a series of strategic withdrawals by the Germans after 1942.

The allies took some bloody noses with their early airborne operations in N. Africa, Sicily and Italy. Problems were poor ID of DZs, dispersed drops, poor navigation, shortage of transports and losses to friendly anti-aircraft fire when transports and gliders over flew their own navies and it became a weapons free environment.

Dispersion of forces and poor ID of DZs/navigation was a big problem with the night drops into Normandy, but airborne troops did create a lot of consternation in rear areas and were useful in disrupting German command, control and comms and did block some German response to the beach landings. After that they were put back in the bottle as SHAEF strategic reserve until employment in Market-Garden.

The problems of Market-Garden are well known and include hasty planning, dispersed drops, DZs too far from the objectives, multiple lifts due to lack of aircraft, excessive time and space which precluded a quick link up with heavier ground forces, poor intelligence which ignored or minimized the presence of German armor near the Brit objectives, poor comms and overall command and control after troops were dropped, and an overly optimistic ground plan which tried to push a full corps up a single route involving crossings over several major river obstacles.

Op Varsity, the airborne component of the Brit crossing the Rhine, was the next up. It was quite cautious given the painful lessons of Market-Garden. DZs were shallow and within range of friendly artillery across the Rhine and the airborne drops only went in AFTER ground forces had crossed the Rhine. Link-up with ground troops was within 4-5 hours of the airborne drops, and it could be argued that the airborne drops weren't much of a factor in the successful Rhine crossings. On the airborne side, DZ identification and navigation were better, troops were more concentrated on DZs, and everything came in a single lift, incl re-supply.

We really haven't seen anything major since, except for a bit in Korea, and of course, the defeat of the French airborne operation at Dien bien Phu. Many armies retain some limited airborne capability in order to keep a small number of troops at peak training and readiness. The Russians have the largest numbers. The maintenance of large airborne forces is very extravagant in terms of resources and airlift. Too some extent the emphasis on light, highly mobile forces has shifted to air assault with helicopters, but these formations are also hugely expensive and present significant deployment times and large air/sea bills for deployment.

The basic limitations of airborne forces; light equipment, short staying power, limited use against a heavy mech-armor enemy and expensive bills for training, equipment and airlift still haven't gone away. But there still is a need for small numbers of highly trained, motivated and rapidly deployable light troops which the airborne can provide.
 
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Nathan Bedford Forrest first principle of war: ...'get there first with the most!' is partially satisfied by employing airborne troops ...but airborne operations fail miserably on the second requirement of 'most' since without logistical support the capability is unsustainable and will fail eventually.
 

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I free fall parachuted with a couple of Brit paras that had been in on the airborne operation during the Suez Crisis. I believe that went down as a successful operation.


Airborne ops are pretty much passé, although airborne troops on light equipment scales are very useful for air delivery before heavier equipped troops arrive. Airborne troops are well trained and highly motivated and can be deployed before anyone else to secure key objectives, like airfields and other facilities, for follow on forces.
The basic limitations of airborne forces; light equipment, short staying power, limited use against a heavy mech-armor enemy and expensive bills for training, equipment and airlift still haven't gone away. But there still is a need for small numbers of highly trained, motivated and rapidly deployable light troops which the airborne can provide.
 
The Suez operation was a military success, but a diplomatic disaster for the Brits and to a lesser extent for the French and Israelis who were also involved.

The IDF dropped an airborne bn (minus) to seize the key Milta Pass in the Sinai, but a navigational error put them 3 miles away from their intended DZ. They humped it to the objective illustrating both the lack of transport in airborne formations and the value of PT. An Israeli para brigade was also involved in the Sinai, but was used as conventional infantry.

The Brits and French both used para drops to seize an airfield and key bridges in the Port Said area. The Brits used a bn (minus) to take the airfield with the bulk of the bn flown in by helicopter, showing the value of airborne elements I taking a key objective by surprise followed by a quick link -up with follow on forces. They also landed another para bn by ship to operate in connection with armour and commandos.

The French dropped 2 bns to seize key bridges and were then joined by French light tanks to assist in the ground fighting. The Brits and French enjoyed total air superiority and had bags of close air support from carriers and bases on Cyprus and Malta to support ground operations in place of artillery.

Vietnam was owned by the helicopter to provide the mobility and surprise formerly provided by the airborne. There was one airborne drop in the Vietnam war by a bn of the US 173rd Airborne Bde.

There still is a useful role for airborne troops to accomplish coup de main/surprise operations to assist follow on heavier forces and lightly equipped airborne troops can be quickly deployed by air landing to provide forces on the ground. There is also a limited role to insert recce/stay behind/UW elements to support operations, but the era of large scale airborne operations is past.

The 82nd Airborne Div has spent a lot of alert time at Ft Bragg waiting to go on missions which never happened. Ranger elements were dropped on the main airport in Grenada to take it when obstructions and the presence of air defence prevented their planned insertion by air. A drop by the 82nd Airborne was considered for Grenada but they were landed by air after the international airport had been secured by the Rangers.

Canada has maintained some level of airborne capability since WW2, but we've never used it in 72 years. Its always been a stretch to define a meaningful role and justification for it. Some of the more enduring justifications have been the need to deal with possible hostile lodgements in the north or to assist with a major air disaster in a remote location. Some have a hard time justifying it in a small army arguing that it doesn't fit either the force structure or mobilization needs, and that it diverts resources away from conventional infantry incl highly motivated troops who might be better developed and employed as leadership in "leg" infantry units. Everyone agrees that jumping is pretty exciting though and it does provide a great merit badge for the infantry.
 
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I wasn't talking about a diplomatic success, but a military one.

Somebody thinks we still need the Airborne Regiment since it was reconstituted after the Somalia affair.

The Suez operation was a military success, but a diplomatic disaster for the Brits and to a lesser extent for the French and Israelis who were also involved.
There still is a useful role for airborne troops to accomplish coup de main/surprise operations to assist follow on heavier forces and lightly equipped airborne troops can be quickly deployed by air landing to provide forces on the ground. There is also a limited role to insert recce/stay behind/UW elements to support operations, but the era of large scale airborne operations is past.

Canada has maintained some level of airborne capability since WW2, but we've never used it in 72 years. Its always been a stretch to define a meaningful role and justification for it. Some of the more enduring justifications have been the need to deal with possible hostile lodgements in the north or to assist with a major air disaster in a remote location. Some have a hard time justifying it in a small army arguing that it doesn't fit either the force structure or mobilization needs, and that it diverts resources away from conventional infantry incl highly motivated troops who might be better developed and employed as leadership in "leg" infantry units. Everyone agrees that jumping is pretty exciting though and it does provide a great merit badge for the infantry.
 
I'm not sure just what we have in terms of an operational airborne capability right now, but there is a jump qualified company in each of the 3 brigades. AFAIK there is no designated higher HQ/control organization or support elements like arty, engineers, and logistics for these companies outside of their parent battalions.

They have organized the Special Operations Regiment in Petawawa which has a special forces/unconventional warfare type of mission with some parachute capability. It would be interesting to learn more about its organization, tasks and capabilities. It does replicate something of the former Airborne Regt, but on a smaller scale. I don't read it as a bn level maneuver/fighting unit having organic support elements like arty or engineers.

AFAIK they operate the former CABC training functions and parachute packing in Trenton to support whatever goes on in the airborne sector incl the SAR Techs, the jump companies and the Special Ops Regt.

Its tough to find the resources for all of this in a small army w/o impacting too much on the capabilities of the 3 Bdes.
 
Meanwhile in Taiwan Air Force...

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