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They're controllable when the shooter knows how to control them.

I found the M3 awkward to handle, therefore difficult for me to control. The wire stock was next to useless, but they functioned well and IMHO were totally reliable, even when full of crud.
 
fat tony said:
Canada was offered a number of Reising SMG's after Uncle Sam was done with them for combat use. It seems the Veteran's Guard got some, and garrison troops in Canada supposedly got some. I espied a Cdn. Army manual on them years ago at a flea market. Never seen any old pics showing them in the hands of Cdn. troops.
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I believe Reisings were offered to all of the Allies during WWII. I read something on it, but I believe they were only issued to rear echelon and home guard types.
 
fat tony said:
Canada was offered a number of Reising SMG's after Uncle Sam was done with them for combat use. It seems the Veteran's Guard got some, and garrison troops in Canada supposedly got some. I espied a Cdn. Army manual on them years ago at a flea market. Never seen any old pics showing them in the hands of Cdn. troops.
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There is a photo of a Reising being used in training at Connaught by a Cameron Highlander.. I have seen a Reising with a C/I\ stamp.
 
American soldiers position themselves under a signpost in Cherbourg, France.

But seriously the machine gunner is going to be really unhappy when that M1 goes off right next to his ear........
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bearhunter said:
If you want real control, get a HKMP5, then you wouldn't consider anything else.

But, I was comparing 45acps, and you're right they are very hard to control, if you insist on dumping a mag. Short bursts work well at the ranges the smgs were designed for.

The real brute in the pics above is the "Grease Gun" or M3.

Yes, my first real job was with Alan Lever Arms, part of the job was disassembling, cleaning, reassembling, test firing, clean again, to make them presentable in his show room.
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Nice job. Those were the days. :cool:

I have an MP5 - it's just not FA. :rolleyes:

Personally I think the Thompson is a brute. It's big, heavy and has a ridiculous cyclic rate. I mean they are super fun to shoot but not exactly practical.


tiriaq said:
The M-3 is very portly. Not seen as cool as the Thompson, but arguably a better gun. Search youtube for Jerry Miculek's video demonstrating one. You will see just how controllable one is.
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The word "portly" means big or fat. The M3 is most definitely not portly ... especially compared to a Thompson. The Thompson mostly got its cache from the roaring 20's and mobsters.

There is no argument that the M3 is a better SMG in every way. The M3 served with US military for a very long time as a result.

Jerry's Grease Gun video is fricken hilarious.
 
bearhunter said:
They're controllable when the shooter knows how to control them.

I found the M3 awkward to handle, therefore difficult for me to control. The wire stock was next to useless, but they functioned well and IMHO were totally reliable, even when full of crud.
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Experience with FA certainly helps but even with experience, it takes more effort to control something like a Thompson than an M3.

I've owned an M3 for over 15 years now and I find it easy to use. Compared to its peers, MP40, Sten the M3's wire stock is not out to lunch with respect to functionality. It certainly made the gun compact and easy to handle and deploy.

The reliability of the M3 was built into the design, because the bolt does not touch the receiver, unlike its WWII peers.


fat tony said:
Canada was offered a number of Reising SMG's after Uncle Sam was done with them for combat use. It seems the Veteran's Guard got some, and garrison troops in Canada supposedly got some. I espied a Cdn. Army manual on them years ago at a flea market. Never seen any old pics showing them in the hands of Cdn. troops.
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Canada had the M3 Grease Gun. Mine came with a hand typed armorers manual from CFB Borden IIRC.
 
Rotund? The M3 bolt is quite large in diameter.

I you haven't watched the Miculek video, do so! With the second magazine he takes down a row of pepper poppers. There follows a slow motion sequence of the gun firing. Listen to the audio - bang, clang, bang clang... He is using the slow cyclic rate and placing the rounds individually.
 
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I Dont Care About You said:
Nice job. Those were the days. :cool:

I have an MP5 - it's just not FA. :rolleyes:

Personally I think the Thompson is a brute. It's big, heavy and has a ridiculous cyclic rate. I mean they are super fun to shoot but not exactly practical.



The word "portly" means big or fat. The M3 is most definitely not portly ... especially compared to a Thompson. The Thompson mostly got its cache from the roaring 20's and mobsters.

There is no argument that the M3 is a better SMG in every way. The M3 served with US military for a very long time as a result.

Jerry's Grease Gun video is fricken hilarious.
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I beg to differ about the Thompson. All through WWII, troops in all of the nations fielding the weapon, even the Axis, reissuing captured weapons, had a great liking for the Thompson. The Nazis captured a lot of Thompsons from France.

WWII, Korea, several bush wars, Viet Nam, and the list goes on.

The Thompson is "heavy," but not when you become used to the weight and learn to use it to your advantage.

That's where the M3 has issues with most users, it's just too light, for the cartridge it's being chambered in. However, with lots of training and practice, it can work well for the situations it was designed for.

SMGs can be accurate, but they weren't designed with accuracy in mind or longer ranges.
 
I remember reading about a Cagney film where the budget couldn't afford special effects so in a scene where he is being shot at as he ran along a wall with bullets splattering behind him, it was an actual tommy gun being fired by a hollywood marksman. He claimed the Tommy with drum was very controllable.
 
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16 December, 1944.

Rex Cinema, Antwerp

A bit of a read:

https://www.v2rocket.com/start/chapters/antwerp.html
 
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Not entirely sure of the concept they're trying to clarify, but I wholeheartedly approve of their methods.

I went looking for cheesecake nose art by way of staying on topic here, and instead fell down the rabbit hole of B-24's with shark mouths:

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Another two post cards that I picked up. The train cars appear to have slipped the tracks? Nothing was written on the backs of these.

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