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I am always fascinated by foot clutches and hand shifters...the average motorcycle rider can get on 90% of bikes and go ride. Jump on one of these things and you have to always be thinking.

Smellie; did these bikes have the spark advance on one of the grips like some of the old Indians? You had to be a mechanic to understand how to drive one...
 
Yes.

Your left hand-grip was the Spark Advance, right hand-grip was the Throttle. Both were actual Bowden Cables: no spring return, they stayed where you put them.

Starting drill was easy: close the Choke, turn the motor over once with the starter-crank, open the Choke to halfway or three-quarters, SPARK FORWARD (to retard), crack on a LITTLE Throttle, turn Ignition ON and swing down on the Starter-Crank. She should fire. Immediately, you cranked the Spark Adjustment TOWARD you to advance your timing. Then you waited about 15 seconds and opened the Choke all the way, keeping the motor running with rapid Throttle adjustments. Now she should settle down to a nice quiet buppitta buppitta buppitta.

Heel down on the Clutch, gearshift forward to First, now add throttle, toe down on the Clutch and she starts moving. Heel down, shifter back and through Neutral into Second, toe down to go, same for back into Third.

NOTE: ALL INDIAN CONTROLS WERE THE PRECISE OPPOSITE TO HARLEY CONTROLS.

Ignition on the Harleys was lost-spark (both plugs fired at the same time) but the crank had only one throw. The motor was a 45-degree V, so your firing cycle was 'way out of step. It had 4 camshafts (modern Sportster is just a bored, stroked OHV version) and ran 6 to 12 pounds of oil pressure on SAE 50 oil with a dry-sump system like an airplane and modified Ricardo heads: much more efficient than you would think. But with both plugs firing at the same time, when the front cylinder was on compression, the rear cylinder was on intake: SPUT! And when the rear cylinder fired on compression, the front cylinder still was on exhaust so it fired again into the exhaust gas and you got a little "sput". So you were getting BANGSPUTBANGsput repeated about 30 times a second.

But the Spark control you used like I said. Retard for starting, then full Advance and leave it there. If you didn't retard the Spark for starting, the critter would try to throw you over the handlebars.... and she had enough power to do it, too!

During the War, they used to run those on SAE 60 in the really hot weather, SAE 50 for most duty, SAE 40 or 30 when it got well below zero (Fahrenheit scale, mind you!) and when it got REALLY cold, they would add as much as 10% gasoline to the oil, just so you could turn the engine over. There were DR courses out at CFB Shilo, out in the sandhills of the Carberry Desert.

The casualty rate among Dispatch Riders was staggering, I was told by guys who were actually there. Fortunately, I did my riding in peacetime, when a Harley was only a target for pickup trucks and drunk drivers...... although I did know a man who lost 2 of them in one day to an MG-42. He was lucky with the third motorcycle.

Now, I got this scar here from attacking that Ford truck........ and this one from..... and these others are from......

DAMN! But those things were FUN!
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Amazing...a rider had a lot going on just getting one started!

I've been riding motorcycles all my life and when a buddy of my father's explained how to drive his old indian that's restored and worth a few bucks, I just chickened out...too much involved and I didn't want to try to learn on something that was mint and worth more than I make in a year.
 
When my parents came out west one year to visit, my dad was looking at my bike. I asked him if he had ever rode a bike befor as I had never knowen him to have done so. Without batting an eye, he said, "Oh, lots. I rode them as a dispatch rider in 45." I was blowen away.
"You never told me that!"
He shrugged his shoulders "Lots of things I have never told you"
Jeeze!
 
Smellie- Your just a walking library when it comes to military I wish I could sit with you, and a cup of " joe" and listen to what you could teach me and many others :)

AdrianM- I'm with you on wanting to learn more and more about military history I'm am 31 and love it :)

points- Its is amazing how the old timers never really talk about it ( I guess they probably just wanted to forget that part of there lives and live on having a new meaning to life ) I can't even imagine what it was like. But I will make sure never to forget what they did for us and others. And I will make d%#$ sure that my kids never forget ether.


Well I am glad some of us are enjoying the pics and more to come :)

Cheers
Joe

And now to the EE to find something to buy LOL
 
Ok New day new picture :) This one is a little weird to me I'm thinking that there shooting at a target being pulled behind one of there own planes (Russian) to practice shooting at enemy planes ?? Not to sure on this one any help.

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Just my $0.02 but I think if you were going to do some housecleaning you pick up any SMG handy to have volume of fire going in. I read that after WWII the Americans did a study and found that a lot of fire wasn't aimed fire but directed fire (ie letting loose at the enemy with volume) hence part of the reason of the move to .223 from .30/06 - smaller, lighter rounds more your able to carry/load into a mag before you have to reload. You can never have enough ammo/grenades.

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In '05 the Canadians went south from Kabul and for a year the battle group was dispatched left and right chasing Taliban. The Brits were trying to get a lid on Helmand without much success. The Americans kept most of their combat power in the northeast. So, Canada with US airlift and lots of roadmoves when helos weren't available did a lot of fighting. Not unlike American air mobile ops in later parts of the Vietnam War with battle after battle to engage and destroy the enemy, only to be pulled out for the next battle, relinquishing ground to less resilient forces or back to the enemy.

One guy's After Action Report, more of a personal opinion than a formal document, said it takes 10 mags to win the small unit infantry firefight. That is 300 rounds of 5.56 per engagement per active shooter. The first five mags fix the enemy in his hiding spot. The next three mags pi$$ him off enough to poke his head out and try to fight back. The last two mags finish him off.
 
Wow that is crazy having to carry 300 rounds. I guess 5.56 would be lighter then 30-06 though. Even having to carry 10 mags of 45 for the Thompson would be heavy as hell ! Not to forget all the gear too !
 
Ok New day new picture :) This one is a little weird to me I'm thinking that there shooting at a target being pulled behind one of there own planes (Russian) to practice shooting at enemy planes ?? Not to sure on this one any help.

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A flock of geese?
 
Ok New day new picture :) This one is a little weird to me I'm thinking that there shooting at a target being pulled behind one of there own planes (Russian) to practice shooting at enemy planes ?? Not to sure on this one any help.

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Ah ha! this one I've seen before, no mistake.....its Soviet Thanksgiving. Generally speaking there's more wodka than bird celebrated (7.62x54 rips the he11 out of the turkey)....:p
 
I met a couple of ex-DRs. Never did meet one that I would consider 100% sane, so we got along.

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Great Uncle Hank was a Dispatch Rider, and Dad pretty much idolised him.
Hank was quite the character, and every pic I've seen of him, he looks as if
he had just gotten away with something.
Drank pretty heavily, and died before 50, but packed a lot of living
in beforehand.
 
Grandpa was a DR as well. He never talked about it that much. His story was that he got drunk one night and crashed into a wall, injuring himself badly enough to be brought home. I'll never know for sure. However, he never did want to go to europe (he and grandma travelled a lot after he retired). My dad jokes that maybe it was because he would be walking down the street in some dutch town and a local would come up to him and ask "Are you my fahza?"

As for the soviets has anyone else seen that they are all snipers? Maybe its some on the spot taget id drill, reading numbers off a passing plane.

Or maybe they are trying to bring down captain america. (Id say santa claus, but it is clearly not a russian winter.
 
The way my dad got to be a motorcycle dispatch rider was cool. He was a truck driver for the British and they were asking for mc riders. He thought it would be great to ride one as he had never been on one. He got a buddy to show him how to ride one in the compound. after a couple turns around the yard he went to whoever and said that he would take the job. The rest was history.
 
I had a Great Uncle that was a dispatch rider in WWII. One day he picked up a bunch of winter gear for some of our boys and decided to put them on one over another so he could carry more. He hit a mine on his return trip and his war was over. He use to tell how the extra coats he was wearing saved his life that day!
 
The thing that I appreciate in this pic is the amount of gear these guys are carrying. I've done some forced marches in training with 40 or 50 pounds of gear...but all day, everyday with no warm bed at night...Nazi or not, these were men. I know our guys had it just as tough.

Thanks for starting the thread OP. This is one of my favs. I just enjoy the conversation as much as anything.
 
Ya having to live like that for (who knows how long in the field 2 -3 -4 months at a time only having a few personal items to yourself ) defiantly takes a real man and like you said adrianM ( German or not ) Its was hard way to live!
 
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