No gun part can be exported except by a licenced exporter. Magazines are gun parts.
"Significant" gun parts can only be exported by a licenced exporter who must obtain an export permit for those particular significant gun parts.
Pinning Magazines
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No gun part can be exported except by a licenced exporter. Magazines are gun parts.
"Significant" gun parts can only be exported by a licenced exporter who must obtain an export permit for those particular significant gun parts.
I believe only significant parts require export licenses.
AFAIK this includes high capacity magazines.
I don't know if a pinned mag would remain a high capacity magazine or not.
I have never heard that other gun parts need to be exported by a licenced exporter.
Though I've heard that shotguns fall under different rules than handguns and rifles.
AFAIK this includes high capacity magazines.
I don't know if a pinned mag would remain a high capacity magazine or not.
I have never heard that other gun parts need to be exported by a licenced exporter.
Though I've heard that shotguns fall under different rules than handguns and rifles.
A cop at the range I was at got all pompous and came over and started spouting off FACTS to me when I was shooting my AR-15 with a .22LR conversion kit and 27 round magazine. Apparently the magazine was "a prohibited device" cause I was only allowed 5 in a rifle. I basically told him to piss off, so he got on his cellphone while I continued shooting. Needless to say after that phone call he had to swallow his pride, and tell me "you got lucky" when I walked past him to leave the range a short while later.
With retarded laws like we have I guess its bound to happen sooner or later, but I still wish these guys were taught to handle it a lot differently. The whole guilty until proven innocent thing is irritating.
First off he should have apologized to you, after his phone call, and on my way out after his "you got lucky comment" I would have told him, that he is the one who got Lucky......he saved himself a crap load of embarrassment had he pursued it....
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Ok, so as to not needlessly kibitz, but actually find out from someone who should know, I called the office of Chief Firearms Officer of Ontario.
Basically I had three questions that I wanted to ask:
1) What is required to import magazines into Canada
2) Does pinning have to be done abroad, or can it be done in Canada. Again, what are the legal requirements.
3) How was the pinning of mags done when Bill C-17 (1991) came into effect.
I was using Magpul P-Mags, 30 round capacity for AR-15 platform as the example, and I specifically told him that I am interested only in Canadian side of the story, and that I can find out the American requirements from DOS/BATF
I didn't get the name of the person (male), with whom I was talking to, but the question about legality of importing magazines really upset him.
Basically, according to CFO of Ontario, the only way such magazines could be imported into Canada, is by the licensed business for the purpose of use in a movie industry, and no other way.
According to the CFO, pinning of magazines is grey area, and in his opinion CBSA's opinion on the matter is that if anything is pinned, it could be unpinned back, and thus even pinned mags are prohibited devices. According to the CFO anything that is not built specifically in 5 or 10 round capacity will be stopped by CBSA.
Now, I am reporting what the fellow said, but I am calling Bulle Scheiße on this, since there are many people selling high capacity mags that are pinned to the necessary 5 rounds - example would be the recent sale by Wolverine supplies of the 30 round mags for CZ-858 pinned to 5 rounds. Obviously these mags somehow made it past CBSA, irregardless of them being pinned in Canad or abroad.
I referred him to the Criminal Code Regulations ( http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/SOR-98-462/FullText.html ), which spell out what needs to be done, and he got upset at me, saying that if I know what needs to be done, why is it that I am calling him.
When I asked how the people did it in 1991, he again got upset, and told me that the mags back then were all 5 and 10 rounds, so there wasn't much pinning to do. When I asked if that meant that people that had high capacity mags in their rifles and handguns had to destroy those mags and buy new ones, he told me that yes. Again, this sounds like Bulle Scheiße to me, and it's possible that the person I talked to is not familiar with the subject.
He asked me why I am asking him all these questions, and I told him that I am interested in importing about a 1000 mags from US, and would like to find out how I can do that legally. At which point he got even more upset, but in the end referred me to the CBSA, giving me the 1-800-461-9999 number to call. I asked if I should talk to someone specific there, and he told me that no, they will be able to direct me where necessary.
I didn't call CBSA, since in my mind it's useless - they will tell me that if my papers are in order, they will let the shipment through, and to find out what papers need to be in order I'll need to talk to RCMP and maybe to the CFO.
For the record, here is the relevant part of the Criminal Code Regulations
I am curious what the RCMP will answer, and how familiar the CFOs of other provinces are with the subject, and if they have anything useful to say (Well, I guess we an ask CBSA as well, but I outlined above what I strongly suspect that they will reply) on the matter.
Anyone wants to follow up with RCMP (and maybe their CFO)?
Basically I had three questions that I wanted to ask:
1) What is required to import magazines into Canada
2) Does pinning have to be done abroad, or can it be done in Canada. Again, what are the legal requirements.
3) How was the pinning of mags done when Bill C-17 (1991) came into effect.
I was using Magpul P-Mags, 30 round capacity for AR-15 platform as the example, and I specifically told him that I am interested only in Canadian side of the story, and that I can find out the American requirements from DOS/BATF
I didn't get the name of the person (male), with whom I was talking to, but the question about legality of importing magazines really upset him.
Basically, according to CFO of Ontario, the only way such magazines could be imported into Canada, is by the licensed business for the purpose of use in a movie industry, and no other way.
According to the CFO, pinning of magazines is grey area, and in his opinion CBSA's opinion on the matter is that if anything is pinned, it could be unpinned back, and thus even pinned mags are prohibited devices. According to the CFO anything that is not built specifically in 5 or 10 round capacity will be stopped by CBSA.
Now, I am reporting what the fellow said, but I am calling Bulle Scheiße on this, since there are many people selling high capacity mags that are pinned to the necessary 5 rounds - example would be the recent sale by Wolverine supplies of the 30 round mags for CZ-858 pinned to 5 rounds. Obviously these mags somehow made it past CBSA, irregardless of them being pinned in Canad or abroad.
I referred him to the Criminal Code Regulations ( http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/SOR-98-462/FullText.html ), which spell out what needs to be done, and he got upset at me, saying that if I know what needs to be done, why is it that I am calling him.
When I asked how the people did it in 1991, he again got upset, and told me that the mags back then were all 5 and 10 rounds, so there wasn't much pinning to do. When I asked if that meant that people that had high capacity mags in their rifles and handguns had to destroy those mags and buy new ones, he told me that yes. Again, this sounds like Bulle Scheiße to me, and it's possible that the person I talked to is not familiar with the subject.
He asked me why I am asking him all these questions, and I told him that I am interested in importing about a 1000 mags from US, and would like to find out how I can do that legally. At which point he got even more upset, but in the end referred me to the CBSA, giving me the 1-800-461-9999 number to call. I asked if I should talk to someone specific there, and he told me that no, they will be able to direct me where necessary.
I didn't call CBSA, since in my mind it's useless - they will tell me that if my papers are in order, they will let the shipment through, and to find out what papers need to be in order I'll need to talk to RCMP and maybe to the CFO.
For the record, here is the relevant part of the Criminal Code Regulations
I am curious what the RCMP will answer, and how familiar the CFOs of other provinces are with the subject, and if they have anything useful to say (Well, I guess we an ask CBSA as well, but I outlined above what I strongly suspect that they will reply) on the matter.
Anyone wants to follow up with RCMP (and maybe their CFO)?
No offence, but that was the first and key mistake. You can call five times and get five different answers. If you really want to know, and to have a solid defence of official misdirection if something goes wrong as a result of your following official advice, write a letter. They will respond in writing, eventually, and will have had enough time to provide more definitive / accurate answers.
Or PM hicaliber. He imported, legally, a bunch of pmags back when the price was outrageous.
