Pistol Grip Shotguns: Function or Fantasy?

Pistol Grip Only Shotguns (PGO)

  • Functional

    Votes: 106 36.8%

  • Fantasy

    Votes: 146 50.7%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 36 12.5%
  • Total voters
    288
ghostwalkah said:
Tired now...
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Dynamic Entry Step ONE:

Try the knob.
If it is unlocked, open, walk in.

'Nuff said.

And I write this from authority, having been there, done that, been at the front of the stack behind the ram operators. Figured, "what the hell?" and tried the doorknob. It opened, thereby completely foiling our tactical plan . . .
 
i can just see it now: you wake up to a bear tearing apart your tent... still sleep-disoriented you fire your PGO shotgun while the tent collapses around you. days later the COs find your partially eaten corpse, and remark about the fact that all your front teeth are missing and theres a chewed up PG shotgun nearby ;)[/QUOTE]

How much do you think I could get for a chewed up PG shotgun on the EE? I'll try to figure out a price when Yogi's chewing on my arm.
 
boomer271 said:
Dynamic Entry Step ONE:

Try the knob.
If it is unlocked, open, walk in.

'Nuff said.

And I write this from authority, having been there, done that, been at the front of the stack behind the ram operators.
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Then you should know that you never walk in, you flow in =)

Most people know the knob is the first attempted method of any entry (as it is the most common way of entering a room), but I didn't really feel the need to mention every single step/drill and all the accompanying theology/methodology.
I was posting (albeit in a possibly over-informative fashion) in reply to a statement made as to how canadian LEO never use shotguns to gain entry...
Had to stop before I got around to discussing IDCs & burn time calculations =)

Many people on this forum have "been there & done that". Many of us "are still there, doing that".
Someone had to clarify the issue...

Many a door has been defeated via the precise application of a couple of specialised 12 gauge rounds, often fired from a PGO shotgun...

John: Happy to have been able to shed some light on the occult science, the Dark Art of Tactical Breaching =)


Gh0sT OuT~!
 
i find the pistol grip alone to be useless
but when it has the stock and the pistol grip at the same time it could be functional in my opinion
 
I geuss we can all agree that the answer to this poll is all 3. My reason for having a PGO shotty is its compact, lightweight and fun to shoot. That being said, I would never put a PGO on my Supernova Tactical, I'd be removing one of the best designed parts of the shotgun! The PGO fits anywhere, but when the SHTF I'd be much more confident with the Supernova. When I just cant bring my Supernova or Garand, I grab the cruiser, but I've got some good practise with it and could use it to effectively defend my life should I ever need to. A PGO shotty is not a replacement for a full stocked shotty, but works if its all you got room for. To each his own, go with what fits your needs, just make sure you know how to use it!
 
ive got a pg shotty that i find to be functional. not only is it compact but i can still hit the target, even 1 handed. also if need be i can just pop the removeable collapsable stock on in a second
 
Some people can throw darts pretty friggin accurately, some throw baseballs, others sling shots and spears. I shoot bow instictively with no sights. If you aren't able to shoot fairly well with pog it's because you don't practice or have no eye/hand coordination. I have a side folder on mine, and it's almost always open, except in my back pack or real tight brush. Yes i shoot far better with the stock open, but I practice and am quite comfortable at any reasonable range with it folded.
 
Gatehouse said:
I'd rather have a short "youth" stock made by Hogue than a PG.

That being siad, you CAN train yourself to shoot a PG accurately enough at bear defense ranges. Hold the shotgun at eye level, straight arm on the slide, pistol grip held liek a pistol...You can now aim down the barrel and not smash yourself in the face.

For home defense (range is typically a few feet) I don't' see why they wouldn't' work well as you will be using shot and holding at waist level.

They aren't useless, just need to practice with it...However, a regular stock is a better tool, no question.
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exactly what i was thinking ...if i want light and compact that i can take anywhere legally a pg is what i will take and i WILL know how to use it .not saying i wouldnt do better with a stock or folder but i just may not want to display it or carry it :)
 
Well, I have a pistol grip ithaca m87 with an 18" barrel, its a nice shotgun, and its fun to shoot too, aiming with it is a little more difficult, but I am getting much better with it. I think it is a suitable home defense gun, no problems there. But, other than home defense I think the gun is nearly useless, and i would prefer one with a stock when in the field. I believe the pgo was designed for house clearing by tactical members. If I were in afghanistan or iraq I would bring mine for sure as an entry gun for all those shantys.... you never know what would be inside and the ithaca with 00 buck would give the user a lot of stopping power capabilites.
 
I've shot both LOTS...both fun. Pistol girp only shotguns are good to impress shooting noobs or one hand them to get the looks from the ladies:p. I personally pefer a shotgun with a butt stock as its faster to ####, faster and easier to aim and tires you out less AND doesn't hurt your hands after 15 shots.
 
as far as function
my wrists were broken a couple of times from bmx/wrasling/general stoopid youth
althou i dont have any problems otherwise, holding a traditional (outdated*) stock for longer periods leaves me with a sore wrist



*wtf is with 95% of the stocks out there, do these manufactures not look at human ergonomics??? been a couple hundred years since humans have been using a "bang stick" but apparently they still make a metal tube that shoots fire and brimstone, function follows form
 
I think its more of an shock an aw value for a new shooter, it looks cool, they have seen it in movies and they want one for themselves. Soon the interest turns off and they realize its utterly useless other then impressing people who don't own guns.

My first gun was an 870 tacticool and my first mod was a pistol grip....and my second mod was a full size stock.
 
It takes a fair bit of practice to get good enough with a pgo to consider using it for wilderness or home defense. And if you are lobbing slugs 100m in self defense then there is probably a better gun out thee for you. In fact, if you need to shoot more than 25m then this isnt the gun for you either. But I dont consider anything outside of 25m on 4 legs to be a threat and I dont have a run of anywhere near 25m inside my home.

But once you get good with it a PGO is faster brought to bear than a stocked shotgun and its lighter to carry. It also easier to manouver through tight spaces.

When I first got my PGO I couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. But once you learn that its instinctive shooting and begin practicing properly, its a quick skill to pick up. There's a number of gophers in gopher heaven as a result, and I figure thats decent enough shooting.
 
I carried a PGO Maverick 88 extensively for years and got very good with it, rolling soup cans out to 30+ yards etc... that said, i recently retired the 88 from bush carry and replaced it with a Grizzly 8.5". The 88 was nice and compact and could be carried easily inside a regular backpack. Was quite handy working sites where being armed was not encouraged.....

The Grizz has the benefits of the PGO (short OAL, namely) with none of the drawbacks....except capacity. Added a Mesa carrier and an Eagle stock pack and are much happier with the Grizz. Carry the Grizz loaded with slugs with a couple bearbangers hung on the Mesa and feel well armed.
 
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