Place of birth needed for Ammo purchase ?

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MosinMan13 said:
Right but is it actually over reach? What’s the reach here other than “it’s different than last week”

That’s a fallacy in your next point, there’s a huge difference between getting third and fourth party involved to evaluate if you’re competent to make a purchase, and being asked to provide the same identifying phrase that you use to validate the very license which proves your competency in the first place.
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I have a free rifle to give you.....but I require some personal information that's not legally required.

How much information will you give me ?

When is it over reach ?

At what point is it too much ?
 
MosinMan13 said:
Right but is it actually over reach? What’s the reach here other than “it’s different than last week”

That’s a fallacy in your next point, there’s a huge difference between getting third and fourth party involved to evaluate if you’re competent to make a purchase, and being asked to provide the same identifying phrase that you use to validate the very license which proves your competency in the first place.
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And that’s the crux of the matter. You seem very happy to give Tenda another piece of information that is absolutely not required or necessary to make that purchase, just because for some reason that’s a “store policy”. My “policy” is not to do business with a company that is going way beyond what even our corrupt government wants. I mean really, WHY do they want that information, for what purpose?? “Store policy”..for what reason exactly??. If people are happy having another little hoop to jump through (“it’s just one more little thing, who cares?”) then go for it. I however will find another business to buy from.
 
FatCatsDad said:
I have a free rifle to give you.....but I require some personal information that's not legally required.

How much information will you give me ?

When is it over reach ?

At what point is it too much ?
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Right but again to my point, do you want the rifle? Bad enough to give that info? Is the rifle being pointed at me to coerce the info? Can I get the same rifle somewhere else, even nearby from someone who doesn’t ask me for the info?

You’re not complaining about over reach, you’re complaining about policy, excessive, suspicious, out of line, but still policy.

You the consumer part of the free market, can go to any competitor and be free from the shackles of this tyranny. Just the same agenda is free to continue this policy if that’s how they want to conduct themselves.
 
Jon9021 said:
And that’s the crux of the matter. You seem very happy to give Tenda another piece of information that is absolutely not required or necessary to make that purchase, just because for some reason that’s a “store policy”. My “policy” is not to do business with a company that is going way beyond what even our corrupt government wants. I mean really, WHY do they want that information, for what purpose?? “Store policy”..for what reason exactly??. If people are happy having another little hoop to jump through (“it’s just one more little thing, who cares?”) then go for it. I however will find another business to buy from.
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On the contrary, if my hand is burning I take it off the flame, or rather don’t put it in the fire to begin with.

I’m happy it’s a free market and I can go somewhere else, I also don’t make it my second hobby to crusade against businesses for their policy, nobody is making you shop there, and furthermore why would you want to shop somewhere that’s has such policy/beliefs? You think if they have malintent with your place of birth, they wouldn’t dare use your payment info, address, cookie data etc?

Take your money, your time and your energy, and invest it in the parts of the community you support and reciprocate your beliefs.
 
MosinMan13 said:
Right but again to my point, do you want the rifle? Bad enough to give that info? Is the rifle being pointed at me to coerce the info? Can I get the same rifle somewhere else, even nearby from someone who doesn’t ask me for the info?

You’re not complaining about over reach, you’re complaining about policy, excessive, suspicious, out of line, but still policy.

You the consumer part of the free market, can go to any competitor and be free from the shackles of this tyranny. Just the same agenda is free to continue this policy if that’s how they want to conduct themselves.
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Your mistake is where you see this as simple as a "policy".

The ideology that supports this overreach comes from a different continent, and the mindless nodding in approval comes from the same place.

Statism is a thing, and most adherents to this new, worldwide religion don't even know they are.

The current zeitgeist is rife with Statist principles and polices.

Of course we can go elsewhere, but that isn't the point here.
 
Bfranklin said:
Your mistake is where you see this as simple as a "policy".

The ideology that supports this overreach comes from a different continent, and the mindless nodding in approval comes from the same place.

Statism is a thing, and most adherents to this new, worldwide religion don't even know they are.

The current zeitgeist is rife with Statist principles and polices.

Of course we can go elsewhere, but that isn't the point here.
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Ai will compound this reality by 1000's of times over what people could ever hope to do.
 
Bfranklin said:
Your mistake is where you see this as simple as a "policy".

The ideology that supports this overreach comes from a different continent, and the mindless nodding in approval comes from the same place.

Statism is a thing, and most adherents to this new, worldwide religion don't even know they are.

The current zeitgeist is rife with Statist principles and polices.

Of course we can go elsewhere, but that isn't the point here.
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I’m not mistaken, it’s not over reach. The government over reaches because they infringe on our way of life, our freedoms and liberties without the consent or permission of its people. You don’t have a choice but to eat, and they control the food supply. You don’t have a choice in the currency you use or how it’s managed, and they control the money supply. Just to name a few and I could go on, you don’t have a choice, and they intrude into your life for their own agenda, that’s the reach.

They own their business, they make their own policy. Some stores say no backpacks, some say you must wear a shirt, Tenda chooses to go a more Orwellian approach. So be it. It’s not a government run, sanctioned ammo depot, it’s one of many free choices you have. Nobody is making you shop there.
 
MosinMan13 said:
I’m not mistaken, it’s not over reach. The government over reaches because they infringe on our way of life, our freedoms and liberties without the consent or permission of its people. You don’t have a choice but to eat, and they control the food supply. You don’t have a choice in the currency you use or how it’s managed, and they control the money supply. Just to name a few and I could go on, you don’t have a choice, and they intrude into your life for their own agenda, that’s the reach.

They own their business, they make their own policy. Some stores say no backpacks, some say you must wear a shirt, Tenda chooses to go a more Orwellian approach. So be it. It’s not a government run, sanctioned ammo depot, it’s one of many free choices you have. Nobody is making you shop there.
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“Tenda chooses to go a more Orwellian approach. So be it”…am I reading that correctly or is that sarcasm ? If that’s an actual thing you think is acceptable then dear lord…
 
Jon9021 said:
“Tenda chooses to go a more Orwellian approach. So be it”…am I reading that correctly or is that sarcasm, because if that’s an actual thing you think is acceptable then dear lord…
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Did I say it was acceptable? It’s deplorable, I’ve legitimately been advising folks to shop elsewhere, in every reply. In essence what’s being suggested here is to combat overreaching regulation, is to overreach by regulating those regulations. If they make bad policy, so be it, let them sleep in the bed they’re making. There are plenty of alternatives on the market that don’t impose this sort of thing.

If you’re so hell bent to crucify Tenda, take that energy and promote someone better instead of these nonsense witch hunts that pop up every 3 weeks. They aren’t going to change policy because of 6 people crying in a controlled forum, they’ll change policy when people start taking their money elsewhere.

Money talks.
 
MosinMan13 said:
Did I say it was acceptable? It’s deplorable, I’ve legitimately been advising folks to shop elsewhere, in every reply. In essence what’s being suggested here is to combat overreaching regulation, is to overreach by regulating those regulations. If they make bad policy, so be it, let them sleep in the bed they’re making. There are plenty of alternatives on the market that don’t impose this sort of thing.

If you’re so hell bent to crucify Tenda, take that energy and promote someone better instead of these nonsense witch hunts that pop up every 3 weeks. They aren’t going to change policy because of 6 people crying in a controlled forum, they’ll change policy when people start taking their money elsewhere.

Money talks.
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“Hell bent to crucify Tenda”…er, ok. No..but I’m not a Tenda fanboy either.
 
Jon9021 said:
“Hell bent to crucify Tenda”…er, ok. No..but I’m not a Tenda fanboy either.
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Nor am I, but I am a capitalist, and without crappy competitors you end up with monopolies that get too big for their bridges and take their market for granted like the aforementioned above Tenda. If this is how they want to make their last stand, let em burn. There’s plenty of better choices out there.
 
MosinMan13 said:
Nor am I, but I am a capitalist, and without crappy competitors you end up with monopolies that get too big for their bridges and take their market for granted like the aforementioned above Tenda. If this is how they want to make their last stand, let em burn. There’s plenty of better choices out there.
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Fair enough..
 
In case anyone was not able to read between the lines, the point is that traditional Western values of trust and individualism are being destroyed by cultures and societies (which are all non-Western, coincidentally) that always will defer to more oversight, more authoritarianism etc.

This is a prime example.
 
Bfranklin said:
In case anyone was not able to read between the lines, the point is that traditional Western values of trust and individualism are being destroyed by cultures and societies (which are all non-Western, coincidentally) that always will defer to more oversight, more authoritarianism etc.

This is a prime example.
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So the solution is we should force Tenda and all other businesses to conform to a single uniform code of practice as outlined by one governing body?

That doesn’t sound authoritarian at all.
 
MosinMan13 said:
So the solution is we should force Tenda and all other businesses to conform to a single uniform code of practice as outlined by one governing body?

That doesn’t sound authoritarian at all.
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Anything other than what legally required is over reaching.

But then again you are talking about the RCMP that has pages on fraud. But forces gun owners to willy nilly send photos of DL and PAL around for sales. To places that barely have any cyber security.
 
OkayShooter said:
Anything other than what legally required is over reaching.

But then again you are talking about the RCMP that has pages on fraud. But forces gun owners to willy nilly send photos of DL and PAL around for sales. To places that barely have any cyber security.
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Reaching into what? You are voluntarily using their business to purchase something you can purchase elsewhere. It’s not like they’re selling you the ammo, then holding it hostage until you turn over more info.

This would be like going to a Liberal rally and complaining about how retarded all the policy is.
 
OkayShooter said:
Anything other than what legally required is over reaching.

But then again you are talking about the RCMP that has pages on fraud. But forces gun owners to willy nilly send photos of DL and PAL around for sales. To places that barely have any cyber security.
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I'd argue that even the legal requirements are over reach, brought about by anti traditional-Western values.
 
Bfranklin said:
I'd argue that even the legal requirements are over reach, brought about by anti traditional-Western values.
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...and I would agree.

Can anyone fathom the western expansion of North America occurring with this "we're the agency assigned to your safety and protection" bulls hit? Europeans would have never left the shore.

Tell me when once, just once in history when 12 women got together, built a boat to satiate their curiosity of "what lies over there?", and sailed to it?
 
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