Poll: If you were in the market for a 14" pump would you buy an HP9-1?
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Hell yes. It's a good gun, period. Regardless of political whatevers, the Norc shotgun is well made, and a HECK of a deal. Even if you needed to get some work on it (which I didn't) you still are getting a break. Steel receiver, steel trigger group and 14" barrel. Accepts REM 870 accessories.
It's light, it's short, and it went bang every time for me. As much as I LOVE my fabarm, it is twice the cost. It's also twice the shotgun in terms of finish, rail, sights, etc... but the Norc is fine as is. I would buy another without hesitation, sold the last one to a friend to buy something on a whim. It is a great range plinker (blaster) awesome grouse gun to 20M and bear perforator. Build it up, or keep it bone stock, you'll be happy. It's a steal.
It's light, it's short, and it went bang every time for me. As much as I LOVE my fabarm, it is twice the cost. It's also twice the shotgun in terms of finish, rail, sights, etc... but the Norc is fine as is. I would buy another without hesitation, sold the last one to a friend to buy something on a whim. It is a great range plinker (blaster) awesome grouse gun to 20M and bear perforator. Build it up, or keep it bone stock, you'll be happy. It's a steal.
Between the Norinco and the Remington 870 Express HD you could even make an argment the Norinco is better. No J-lock.Gatehouse said:
But I wouldn't buy a Norinco unless I could examine it first. I've seen some that were every bit the measure of a Remington and others that were very poorly put together.
I own one. I also own a Wingmaster with the old pre-improved feeding system.
The Norinco is actually smoother to cycle.
I would not hesitate to buy a second. However, I would do so knowing that the get the gun up to my tastes, I might have to send a few dollars into Tac-Ord's (Casey's) wallet to install a front beed that's not going to fly off, and possibly replace the ejector and rivot.
The Norinco is actually smoother to cycle.
I would not hesitate to buy a second. However, I would do so knowing that the get the gun up to my tastes, I might have to send a few dollars into Tac-Ord's (Casey's) wallet to install a front beed that's not going to fly off, and possibly replace the ejector and rivot.
Hell yeah! For the price of Remington 14" barrel only, you get an entire gun that is definitely better quality than an express model with all of its plastic bits.
I bought mine a few years back and nothing out there will give you as much bang for your buck.
I bought mine a few years back and nothing out there will give you as much bang for your buck.
I would say that the Norinco is a lot better quality than an Express HD.Claybuster said:Between the Norinco and the Remington 870 Express HD you could even make an argment the Norinco is better. No J-lock.
1. Shortest barrel that comes with an express is 18". If you want 14" you have to track down an extremely expensive, and increasingly rare Remington, or spend $300 on a Dlask barrel.
2. Norinco is all metal, just like the Wingmaster (finish might be nicer on the Wingmaster). Express has cheap plastic bits in it, particularly the trigger guard.
If someone has their heart set on a Remington than I'd suggest that they pick up an old Wingmaster, plenty around for under $300. Pick up a 12.5" or 14" barrel from Dlask and than have the entire thing parkerized. It'll cost you more than the Norinco but it's cheaper than buying a new Police model and then trying to find a Remington 14" barrel.
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I am going to be in the market for a shortie shotie soon as well..the HP9-1 sounds like the way to go for me anyway...is Marstaar the only supplier..? if I buy one I would like to have it!!!
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Lots of comments as to why people will buy them....I'm curious to see the reasoning behind the four "NO" votes. C'mon guys...defend your positions.
IF you were going to buy a 14" shottie, why would you pay double for a non-norinco (of lesser quality)
IF you were going to buy a 14" shottie, why would you pay double for a non-norinco (of lesser quality)
I'd save the extra sheckles and buy a Remington 870 Police - if I couldn't locate one with a 14" tube, I'd spring for a Dlask. Yes, it's more expensive, but you get what you pay for.
"Buy cheap, buy twice."
Lesser quality? Not likely. The police models go through more QC checks, and have some beefed up internals - you also get a metal (alloy?) trigger guard without the J-lock. Given that, I'd still buy a Remington Express over a Norinco.
Friends don't let friends buy Norinco.
Edited: For those interested, I've added a list of differences between the Police and Express models that I cut and pasted from somewhere:
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.
• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
"Buy cheap, buy twice."
Lesser quality? Not likely. The police models go through more QC checks, and have some beefed up internals - you also get a metal (alloy?) trigger guard without the J-lock. Given that, I'd still buy a Remington Express over a Norinco.
Friends don't let friends buy Norinco.
Edited: For those interested, I've added a list of differences between the Police and Express models that I cut and pasted from somewhere:
REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns
The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.
• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.
• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
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The problems I've seen with the Norincos are off center beads (really off center), actions that felt like they had sand in them, 8 to 10 pound trigger pulls with tons of creep, bent action bars and poorly installed ejectors.Leg said:
While I'm not impressed with Remington QC, Norinco is far more variable. The good Norincos are indeed better than Remingtons, bad ones are worse.
I went the route of acquiring a 14" barrel for my 870P instead of buy a Norinco. I prefer the rifle sights and modifed choke instead of a plain bead and cylinder barrel.
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I don't get it. Why are there 14" Norincos? I wouldn't buy any cheap gun for self defense, because of real or percieved reliability issues. If my life is really on the line, I'd want the best I can afford. I wouldn't buy any supershort barrel for hunting because they don't handle well for wingshooting or shoot accurately with slugs. If all you want to do is blast tin cans, I can understand, but seems like a pretty special purpose gun to me. Maybe somone can enlighten me about their appeal???
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Longwalker said:
Cool factor
I bought one to replace my Mossberg 500A which has had failure to extract problems since I bought it new which could not be solved even after several trips to my gunsmith.
Defense guns do have to be 100% reliable. I bought my HP9-1 after seeing many posts on the reliability and good quality of the current crop. I tested it thoroughly (100's of test rounds, rapid fire) prior to doing any modification - gotta love the Marstar guarantee. If there had been a hitch due to poor quality control, I would have returned it to Marstar for another.
Once I found that it was very reliable and fed and extracted flawlessly I went ahead, made the modifications that I wanted and now have a relaiable defense gun that I am 100% confident with.
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Longwalker said:
I suppose for many people, this may be the best they can afford. Self defence isn't just a privelage for those who can afford it.
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OK...but of the two....which is the "best"?
(Hint...you won't find one post about ptoblems with the HP9.....but you'll find a TON of them about the 870)
Alloy vs steel, plastic vs steel.......would I use an HP9 for self defence? Absolutely. Again....why not? The ONLY thing you guys can see "wrong" with the norinco is that it says "made in china" on it....hey, guess what? So are half the electronics in a hospital.
(Hint...you won't find one post about ptoblems with the HP9.....but you'll find a TON of them about the 870)
Alloy vs steel, plastic vs steel.......would I use an HP9 for self defence? Absolutely. Again....why not? The ONLY thing you guys can see "wrong" with the norinco is that it says "made in china" on it....hey, guess what? So are half the electronics in a hospital.
You might be right about wingshooting but you are definitely wrong about shooting slugs accurately. My 14" 870 barrel is just as accurate as my 20" with Brenneke slugs.Longwalker said:
The shorter barrel is handy. Much easier to tote around the farm or bush than the 20" version.
It's also a lot of FUN to use for skeet. Gets everyone's attention.
