Poor accuracy , need help.

Yeah, anything thick enough to put just a little pressure between the stock and barrel. You just want consistent contact throughout, so if the stock flexes it stays in contact with the rest of the barrel.

I don't know how much room you have between the stock and barrel, but anything like that will work. I've done it with cardstock and layers of cereal box. I'm sure leather or rubber or whatever you have laying around will work just as well.

One of my buddies had a similar problem and he just filled the whole fore end with sprayfoam and called it good. I don't think you have to go that far though.
 
Some very good suggestions - I am going to add - how is your shooting position? Are you a leaner? or is your shooting position always the same with the same amount of "lean" into your rifle? or no lean at all? (putting downward / forward pressure).

I ask because I do notice a difference when I am shooting for groups (Savage Axis / plastic factory stock)
 
Carbon ring fowling anyone? What's your trim length for brass? if you did develop a carbon ring on the end of your chamber that would certainly effect accuracy as described
 
Kazman1960 said:
Do you think some thin layers of Leather would work ?
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Yes this should work.

I did it with a pencil barrelled Anschutz rifle in 308 win, and it improved the accuracy dramatically.

All Enfield #4 rifles are stocked with a 5 - 6 lbs upwards pressure under the front of the barrel.
 
IvoB said:
Some very good suggestions - I am going to add - how is your shooting position? Are you a leaner? or is your shooting position always the same with the same amount of "lean" into your rifle? or no lean at all? (putting downward / forward pressure).

I ask because I do notice a difference when I am shooting for groups (Savage Axis / plastic factory stock)
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Thats why i usually bring 4 rifles when i go . Just to see if its me or are the others grouping OK .
 
Iam not a pro by any means but I have an encore pro hunter with a .223 barrel would do same damn thing would put 4 out of 5 bullets in same hole then a flyer would open the group up to almost three inches tried everything it would do this with what ever I fed it my problem was the crown took the barrel to my gunsmith/ machinest had him do a nice 11 degree crown now that barrel is a one hole grouping rifle wether I shoot 5 or 10 round groups. Ruger factory 10/22 barrels same thing you can turn a Ruger 10/22 barrel into a tac driver just redoing the crown
 
Jahnj0584 said:
I dont think a single person has asked the obvious yet: how good of a shooter are YOU?
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Thats why i always bring 4 rifles .
Sometimes its me , sometimes its not .
The other day when i went , i brought along my Tikka T3 Tactical in 308, my light barreled hunting rifle which is a Browning Medallion in 270 WSM , the remington and a Savage A22 rim fire .
Tikka was shooting average of .75" for 5 rounds, Browning was doing its normal thing of around 1" for 3 rounds , A22 , still finding out what ammo that one likes best but not bad at 50 yards .
The remington , like i said , would throw a couple of fliers , then a vertical string of 5 rounds. Playing with the 2 stock bolts though does improve it so that something im gonna have to work on to try .
 
Kazman1960 said:
Yeah i did do that . Doubled over piece of paper slides back to the lug with no issues . I also tried a "hotter load " a while back . The primers were cratering but it did shoot and group pretty good . Again , this was only shooting a 3 shot group as i was experimenting . I think what really screwed everything up was when i tightened up the action bolts . Now that im playing with them a little , the difference is mind blowing . Trouble is now to find the sweet spot that will shoot that 1/2 moa for 5 shots.
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If the action bolts are affecting your accuracy that much then there is an issue with the fitment between the stock and action - something is flexing or moving around.. A simple 2-point bedding job should fix it for good. Bed just the area around the recoil lug and front screw, and the area at the rear tang screw - nothing in between. It's an easy job and there are lots of really good videos online.

About the hotter loads shooting better - you may have better luck with a slower powder and a magnum primer. 4831SC for example, under a 180grain bullet. Load would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 60 grains (which is why you'd want 4831 Short Cut, not plain 4831). This will help especially if you have a longer barrel (22-24"), and pressure shouldn't be an issue - still, work up the load safely in increments.

Good luck
 
Canuck65 said:
If the action bolts are affecting your accuracy that much then there is an issue with the fitment between the stock and action - something is flexing or moving around.. A simple 2-point bedding job should fix it for good. Bed just the area around the recoil lug and front screw, and the area at the rear tang screw - nothing in between. It's an easy job and there are lots of really good videos online.

About the hotter loads shooting better - you may have better luck with a slower powder and a magnum primer. 4831SC for example, under a 180grain bullet. Load would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 60 grains (which is why you'd want 4831 Short Cut, not plain 4831). This will help especially if you have a longer barrel (22-24"), and pressure shouldn't be an issue - still, work up the load safely in increments.

Good luck
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Yeah for sure somethings not right as playing with those bolts alters the poi and grouping dramatically.
It was shooting decent groups using IMR 4831 with either 140 ,143 or 147g bullets as its a 6.5 Creedmoor .
 
A long shot here (pun intended) , I had a similar problem many moons ago and eventually I discovered a scope mount screw was just long enough it was touching the lugs enough to cause inconsistency but not enough I could feel any drag.
 
hunter5425 said:
A long shot here (pun intended) , I had a similar problem many moons ago and eventually I discovered a scope mount screw was just long enough it was touching the lugs enough to cause inconsistency but not enough I could feel any drag.
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Love the pun lol . Good point about the screws , ill go and re check everything .
 
Kazman1960 said:
I have a Remington 700 semi heavy barrel rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor sitting in a Magpul stock .
This rifle gave me major headaches trying to figure out what bullet and powder would work to an "acceptable " level for accuracy .
It was shooting sort of OK for a while now its back to useless again.
It started throwing flyers so i changed the scope , all to no avail .
I took the stock off just to see if something bad was going on ( not really sure what i was looking for) .
Didn't find anything out of the ordinary .
I Re assembled it all , went to my favorite shooting place , first group came back ok , after that , it went to hell again .
The rifle will not shoot a group , its more like a line and not even a close one . Last one before i gave up was around 3 inches at 105 yard range .
Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong before i jam the barrel in a vise? .
Could it be an issue with the Stock ? Is the Barrel shot out ?
I,ve wasted so much time and effort trying to get this pos to shoot but i'm all out of ideas and patience now .
Thanks in advance for any help , please feel free to ask questions but no bashing .
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Finally figured out how to post the pics. Used the wifes I Phone lol .
Here you can see the dramatic differences in the poi .
It was only on T3 where i started playing with the Stock bolts .
The last pic is just my Tikka T3 Tac in 308 to make sure there was nothing drastically wrong with my shooting that day .
 

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1 of the 5 groups could be viewed as vertical stringing

Your rifle with this load is shooting 5 shot groups that vary from 1.07moa to 1.78moa, averaging 1.38moa, with a mean radius averaging 0.44moa (your average shot impacts within 0.44moa of the center if your group). With this load, you'll be able to engage 10" diameter steel plates out to 715 yards with a very high hit %

I was expecting worse accuracy than this. I think if you shot ten or twenty shot groups, you'd see no vertical stringing at all. I'd try some Lapua Scenar or Berger Hybrids with H4350 and see how it does, I bet it tightens up over this load. Not all barrels are good ones, and this one might be fussy
 
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