POS Remington rant
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This is not an unheard of problem with Rem triggers, I have heard and read about it before. Get an after market trigger. Myself I don't rely on the Rem safety, bolt up until ready to shoot, but that's only practical at the range.
So far as the quality of north american arms, we'll they deliver what we demand of them, and that's generally CHEAP, so you get what you pay for. The European's demand somewhat better quality and tend to produce better guns as a whole.
Here's a good read, and an even better quote from W.W. Greener within it.
http://www.africahunting.com/firearms-ammunition-general/2604-rifle-lessons-learned-zimbabwe-professional-hunter-proficiency-exam.html
So far as the quality of north american arms, we'll they deliver what we demand of them, and that's generally CHEAP, so you get what you pay for. The European's demand somewhat better quality and tend to produce better guns as a whole.
Here's a good read, and an even better quote from W.W. Greener within it.
http://www.africahunting.com/firearms-ammunition-general/2604-rifle-lessons-learned-zimbabwe-professional-hunter-proficiency-exam.html
I find it curious that shortly after this questionable episode appeared on tv someone threw a post on this site about this mysterious problem. I cant help but sense some underlying connection here.
Just the same, I am personally no great fan of any Remmy, but I have owned several over the years and if this problem did occur, I would be quick to accept that someone "tweaked" the trigger set screws to unreasonably light sear engagement.
I do personally know of a CGN member who recently had this problem occur during a match and actualy used the safety as the trigger for the last few rounds of the event. That was on a rem 700 but with a Jewell trigger set as light as possible probably under 4 ounces. This problem was really no fault of remmington and the shooter was well aware of his light setting on the trigger and the possible consequensces.
Regardless, the best thing about the 700 is that every gunsmith in the country can work on one (if you dont know how) and could correct the trigger adjustments in short order.
For a hunting gun, I personnaly preffer Sako hands down to almost any gun out there, but the US military has used the rem 700 as the primary sniper rifle since Vietnam, so it cant be that bad.
Just the same, I am personally no great fan of any Remmy, but I have owned several over the years and if this problem did occur, I would be quick to accept that someone "tweaked" the trigger set screws to unreasonably light sear engagement.
I do personally know of a CGN member who recently had this problem occur during a match and actualy used the safety as the trigger for the last few rounds of the event. That was on a rem 700 but with a Jewell trigger set as light as possible probably under 4 ounces. This problem was really no fault of remmington and the shooter was well aware of his light setting on the trigger and the possible consequensces.
Regardless, the best thing about the 700 is that every gunsmith in the country can work on one (if you dont know how) and could correct the trigger adjustments in short order.
For a hunting gun, I personnaly preffer Sako hands down to almost any gun out there, but the US military has used the rem 700 as the primary sniper rifle since Vietnam, so it cant be that bad.
Who in their right mind would buy a brand new rifle and not function test it just to make sure everything was in good working order ? Part of the whole preparation process of cleaning and removing shipping grease or oil is also testing all safety functions of the gun. Come on now. Seems like perfect timing though considering the thread on this problem last week.
This isn't a mysterious problem. I have personally read about it on a couple forums a few years back, and it has obviously been an issue Remington has had to deal with before. No mystery here it's actually a documented problem with their triggers.
Good point, it should if it wasn't old stock. Even still the gun would have been sitting for 4 years prior to being sold...
LongBomber
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To the OP, you mention Unloading back at the truck. Why would you need to take off the safety to unload the rifle? Remingtons made in the last 30 years don't lock the bolt down with the safety on.
So of the 5,000,000 Remington 700 Rifles in production you happened to get one that has the supposed dreaded fire from safe issues?
At the same time as the CNBC fiasco yet?
I currently own a couple of dozen Rem 700s and have packed nothing but Remington 700s (several dozen other rifles) for three decades and have yet to have this happen. You buy a sps and BOOM? Can you post a video?
Not saying it didn't happen but....Well...You should buy a lottery ticket.
MSNBC is full of #### and they want your guns.
At the same time as the CNBC fiasco yet?
I currently own a couple of dozen Rem 700s and have packed nothing but Remington 700s (several dozen other rifles) for three decades and have yet to have this happen. You buy a sps and BOOM? Can you post a video?
Not saying it didn't happen but....Well...You should buy a lottery ticket.
MSNBC is full of #### and they want your guns.
mike shickele
Regular
I hope that your not calling me full of s**t, because this happened to me, and it was real and repeatable.
Mike
Remington has built five million of these rifles over the years...Most without issue. I'm not saying things don't go wrong.
I am saying it is very unusual for a Remington 700 trigger to malfunction without someone first having messed with the setup.
I would like to see a video clip of the malfunction.
Farlsincharge
CGN frequent flyer
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- Saskatchewan
To the OP
Can you describe the trigger shoe to us please?
Can you describe the trigger shoe to us please?
Guys...
Remmington triggers are adjustable via set secrews. If the sear engagement is set too light, this can happen. It does not mean there is a design issue with the trigger if it's adjusted wrong. The trigger may simply need to be adjusted and anyone with half a brain can do it themselves in 5 minutes or less.
Here's a link on how
http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html
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Adjusting the Remington 700 Trigger
Background:
The Remington trigger system is a very good system that in years past came directly from the factory with a crisp and reasonable pull. These days however, Remington is producing triggers that are not as smooth and are liability proof with pull weights that have gotten to the point of being ridiculous. These changes are due to Remington trying to reduce the cost of their rifles and the ever present fear of civil liability from a trigger that is too light. If you are not conscious of gun safety and are not smart enough to keep your fingers off your trigger until you are ready to fire, I kindly ask you to read no further and find another hobby as I accept no responsibility for stupid people. The modifications that I am about to discuss have the potential to be extremely dangerous if not done carefully! If you have the slightest doubt about what you are doing, I strongly urge you to have a competent gunsmith adjust your trigger for you as the cost is minimal.
The Remington trigger:
When you look at your trigger you will see that the heads of these screws are covered in a glue or loctite. To adjust your trigger it will be necessary to scrape this glue off the screw heads and then determine if your screw heads are slotted or allen head. The next step in this process is to break the screws loose and add a small drop of oil to help with adjustments. I normally run the screws in and out a couple times to make sure that the screw is not binding and the surfaces of the screw are completely covered in oil.
Adjusting the trigger:
Back out the spring tension (trigger pull) screw to a light trigger pull that is adequate to keep some pressure on the trigger but is very light (trigger pull will be set later). Next back out the sear engagement screw, and the over travel screws several turns.
Once the screws are adjusted as above, close the bolt (without dry firing) and SLOWLY turn the sear engagement screw in until the firing pin is released. From this point, back the screw out a half turn. Without recocking the firing pin, screw the over travel screw in until you feel it contact the trigger lightly, preventing the trigger from moving. From this point, back the over travel screw out a quarter turn. When you pull the trigger at this point there should be a very slight movement of the trigger.
To adjust the trigger pull, adjust the spring tension screw to a pull that you like. As you turn the screw in the trigger pull will be increased and the pull will be reduced as the screw is backed out. I would not recommend going lighter than 1 to 1.5-pounds with a factory trigger and I prefer a trigger closer to 2 to 2.5-pounds for a big game rifle.
Work the bolt several times to #### the rifle and try the trigger with the trigger gauge and your finger to make sure that you are happy with how the trigger pull and release feels and the weight is something that you are comfortable with. I also recommend the use of a good trigger gauge to confirm that you are getting a consistent break. If the break you are getting is not consistent, then you may need to increase the trigger pull or consider having the trigger rebuilt or replaced by a competent gunsmith.
Safety Checks!
After you are happy with the feel of the trigger it is essential that you perform a safety check as described here. First, slam the bolt closed HARD up to a dozen times watching to see if the sear allows the firing pin to be released. If the firing pin is released, back out the sear engagement screw another 1/4 turn, and repeat slamming the bolt again.
Next, #### the firing pin and put the weapon on "SAFE" and pull the trigger, release the trigger, put the weapon on "FIRE". Repeat this process several times and if the firing pin is released, increase the trigger pull and repeat this process.
Once these safety checks are performed, take nail polish and seal the heads of the screws and allow it to dry. I normally try to use two coats to make sure that the screws are properly glued in place. Once adjusted, the Remington trigger rarely needs additional adjustment and can be as good as many after market triggers.
Postscript:
I have recently purchased a new Remington 700 Classic that quite literally had the God awful worse trigger I have ever felt on any gun. This trigger was rough in the sear engagement and the trigger spring itself was too stiff to allow for any adjustment that was acceptable for my taste. I understand that it is possible to buy replacement trigger springs and to have the sear surface polished but these are tasks that are beyond my level of understanding so I took a trigger out of a well used Remington 700 ADL from the early 1970's and swapped it for my new trigger. I felt guilty selling my old ADL with that new Rem. 700 trigger that was so lousy, but at least the gun that I wanted to keep has a crisp 2-pound trigger that I can trust to work as a quality trigger should!
If your rifle has a really bad trigger, you may wish considering looking for replacement in the form of a used factory or an aftermarket trigger.
Remmington triggers are adjustable via set secrews. If the sear engagement is set too light, this can happen. It does not mean there is a design issue with the trigger if it's adjusted wrong. The trigger may simply need to be adjusted and anyone with half a brain can do it themselves in 5 minutes or less.
Here's a link on how
http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html
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Adjusting the Remington 700 Trigger
Background:
The Remington trigger system is a very good system that in years past came directly from the factory with a crisp and reasonable pull. These days however, Remington is producing triggers that are not as smooth and are liability proof with pull weights that have gotten to the point of being ridiculous. These changes are due to Remington trying to reduce the cost of their rifles and the ever present fear of civil liability from a trigger that is too light. If you are not conscious of gun safety and are not smart enough to keep your fingers off your trigger until you are ready to fire, I kindly ask you to read no further and find another hobby as I accept no responsibility for stupid people. The modifications that I am about to discuss have the potential to be extremely dangerous if not done carefully! If you have the slightest doubt about what you are doing, I strongly urge you to have a competent gunsmith adjust your trigger for you as the cost is minimal.
The Remington trigger:
When you look at your trigger you will see that the heads of these screws are covered in a glue or loctite. To adjust your trigger it will be necessary to scrape this glue off the screw heads and then determine if your screw heads are slotted or allen head. The next step in this process is to break the screws loose and add a small drop of oil to help with adjustments. I normally run the screws in and out a couple times to make sure that the screw is not binding and the surfaces of the screw are completely covered in oil.
Adjusting the trigger:
Back out the spring tension (trigger pull) screw to a light trigger pull that is adequate to keep some pressure on the trigger but is very light (trigger pull will be set later). Next back out the sear engagement screw, and the over travel screws several turns.
Once the screws are adjusted as above, close the bolt (without dry firing) and SLOWLY turn the sear engagement screw in until the firing pin is released. From this point, back the screw out a half turn. Without recocking the firing pin, screw the over travel screw in until you feel it contact the trigger lightly, preventing the trigger from moving. From this point, back the over travel screw out a quarter turn. When you pull the trigger at this point there should be a very slight movement of the trigger.
To adjust the trigger pull, adjust the spring tension screw to a pull that you like. As you turn the screw in the trigger pull will be increased and the pull will be reduced as the screw is backed out. I would not recommend going lighter than 1 to 1.5-pounds with a factory trigger and I prefer a trigger closer to 2 to 2.5-pounds for a big game rifle.
Work the bolt several times to #### the rifle and try the trigger with the trigger gauge and your finger to make sure that you are happy with how the trigger pull and release feels and the weight is something that you are comfortable with. I also recommend the use of a good trigger gauge to confirm that you are getting a consistent break. If the break you are getting is not consistent, then you may need to increase the trigger pull or consider having the trigger rebuilt or replaced by a competent gunsmith.
Safety Checks!
After you are happy with the feel of the trigger it is essential that you perform a safety check as described here. First, slam the bolt closed HARD up to a dozen times watching to see if the sear allows the firing pin to be released. If the firing pin is released, back out the sear engagement screw another 1/4 turn, and repeat slamming the bolt again.
Next, #### the firing pin and put the weapon on "SAFE" and pull the trigger, release the trigger, put the weapon on "FIRE". Repeat this process several times and if the firing pin is released, increase the trigger pull and repeat this process.
Once these safety checks are performed, take nail polish and seal the heads of the screws and allow it to dry. I normally try to use two coats to make sure that the screws are properly glued in place. Once adjusted, the Remington trigger rarely needs additional adjustment and can be as good as many after market triggers.
Postscript:
I have recently purchased a new Remington 700 Classic that quite literally had the God awful worse trigger I have ever felt on any gun. This trigger was rough in the sear engagement and the trigger spring itself was too stiff to allow for any adjustment that was acceptable for my taste. I understand that it is possible to buy replacement trigger springs and to have the sear surface polished but these are tasks that are beyond my level of understanding so I took a trigger out of a well used Remington 700 ADL from the early 1970's and swapped it for my new trigger. I felt guilty selling my old ADL with that new Rem. 700 trigger that was so lousy, but at least the gun that I wanted to keep has a crisp 2-pound trigger that I can trust to work as a quality trigger should!
If your rifle has a really bad trigger, you may wish considering looking for replacement in the form of a used factory or an aftermarket trigger.
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- Eastern Edge of the Foothills
Exactly what I was thinking. The rifle, if bought new last summer, would not have the walker trigger unless it is 5 year old stock. More than likely it has the externally adjustable screw right on the trigger. It's not susceptible to the same design flaw talked about in the fake-umentary recently aired.
As said previously, part of getting a rifle field ready is knowing all about it... especially its safety features when it's to be a girlfriend rifle!
Did the rifle really come brand new from the store, or was it just new to YOU? Even if it is BNIB from someone else, you still have to wonder what they did to it. So you need to fix the trigger yourself or have it fixed by a gunsmith. All it needs is a bit more engagement on the sear, but I still recommend you take it to a gunsmith, since attention to detail doesn't seem to be your forte! [you failed to check the safety before taking it out hunting!]
There seems to be a lot of these incidents now that the fake-umentary came out.
I have owned dozens of remington rifles and never had this happen yet.But when I buy them just like any other rifle I buy, first thing I do is take it out of the stock and inspect everything.Wipe it down and check for any crud in it,little bits of that friggen styrofoam that can cause a trigger problem....Seems like that damn white styrofoam balls can and will get into everything...just my .02 cents worth here
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No way!!! The WALKER DEATH TRIGGERS are a hazard...and therefore most hunting rifle trigger *may* be too...so I personally think we should BAN them all....for our own safety
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You sir are way too paranoid for your own good.
