possible heads up for sks owners

Don`t get me wrong, I`m all for C-Tire selling guns and ammo ,but it may be a different story when selling millsurps such as the SKS and even SVTs and Mosins.As mentioned ,folks go in and buy something not doing their homework and green as grapes ,not knowing the rifles "idiosyncrasies" ,thinking you just load `er up and shoot it.Then you have rifles with those odd calibers and those with rims,that need to be loaded properly and so on.I`ll bet many a new commer to millsurps and mostly the SKS do not bother to clean them and familiarize with it`s opperation and understand it`s workings ,even if it does look clean off the rack.

I believe it`s an education thing ,and perhaps should be noted and explained near the rifle or at point of purchase ,perhaps a flyer or leaflet ?

Remember ,unlike many of us here ,not every new shooter with their new PAL in hand ,with $ 200 bucks in their pocket looking at a sweet SKS ,knows the ins and outs of the rifle.

This may well be an over reaction ,and steps taken to fend off lawsuits and have a re-look at their sales policy ,who knows.....still plenty of them to buy at many other places ,but it is cool that old C-Tire would sell them and other millsurps.

Paul T
 
ckc123 said:
Actually no.. if Silverdale called the cops then it shows that they actually have no clue on how to handle the situation.. (This is assuming its not an intentional full auto use of the SKS)

A firearm which happens to go "Full Auto", 99% of the time is not a full-auto firearm.. it's a malfunction which can be fixed.. and a safety issue.. neither of which makes the situation illegal in any way..

The safety issue is easy and simple to fix.. stop shooting the gun and go fix it (gun smith or compitent firearms owner who can clean/fix it).. bring it back to test properly (reduced # of rounds to ensure it still not going full auto)

the fixing of the firearm is also a simple fix.. don't use it until you either 1) take it to a gun smith 2) completly understand the issue and why its going full auto, and fix it.. then do a proper test to ensure it does not go full auto again.

The fact that Silverdale "apparently" called the cops is rediculas, shows they have no clue on proper fixing/testing of a firearm.. for a gun range thats almost a SIN..

now I hope all this is a story and not true, but if it was I'd be staying away from there.. (Failure to clean your gun is not a crime.. it's not good decision making, but not against the law..)
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I agree, calling the authorities was not a good idea, the RSO way over reacted, if the guy shooting had it pointed down range, it is safe, if it slamfires the shots all went into the berm were they are supposed to go.
Perhaps Canadian Tire should either clean just the bolts before they sell to make sure the firing pin is loose, or include an instruction sheet about diss assembly and cleaning before using.
 
silver69 said:
I just joined the SKS club last week (BIG PROPS FOR VLAD AT WEST RIFLE!! You Da Man!). For as much as I wanted a collectable laminate, all matching unissued :)...I figured that I wanted something that I could use with out remorse. I wanted to lighten it up and liked the feel of it in a pistol grip config. Vladimir hooked me up with the nicest 1950 Russian Referb already in a black ATI stock that I could have asked for. All most all matching with only electro pencil Hidden on the gas tube and on the lock pin on the bolt!

"SkS not a black rifle" you say... Well fully dressed with rails and a scope, in that ATI stock, it's as black and so called 'scary' as any that I have seen or shot! I love it, it's a hoot to shoot! The valve of that rifle for what we pay for them in Canada is huge! It's a keeper for sure.
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.....because MallNinjas LOVE to look scary.....
 
ckc123 said:
With the SKS's being sold in CT, you have to ask.. was CT making the right INFORMED decision to sells SKS which are known for slam firing??? did they buy them from a distributor who put in the extra efforts to make sure they were cleaned properly before putting them on CT's shelf..
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All CT's firearms come from North Sylva, so I have no idea if they offer this service or not. Anywhere I have seen them sold, if there was that option, it came at an extra cost. The one I bought from CT had very little on it.
 
They need to revise the Canadian Firearms Safety Course:

Point the firearm in a safe direction
Remove all cartridges
Observe the chamber
Verify the feeding path
Examine the bore

&

Assume the firearm is loaded
Control the muzzle direction
Trigger finger must be off the trigger until ready to shoot
See that the firearm is unloaded (PROVE it safe)

&

Crap that clogs up the action
Organic solvent will help clean it off
Smells awful
Messy as hell
Old guns would rust without it
Leaks out of the wood for next thirty years
Inside every mechanism
Never shoot with a greasy bore
Everything you own will eventually be covered in it
 
^^^ That's awesome!


ckc123 said:
BUT.. the problem with wider sales distribution is that not EVERYONE in the general public knows (or cares) to go research their rifle online to find out about common problems.. they expect it to work out of the box as it comes from a "big box store".. first (or maybe a few??) slam fires on one from CT and the unknowning gun owners will freak out, and so will CT.


With the SKS's being sold in CT, you have to ask.. was CT making the right INFORMED decision to sells SKS which are known for slam firing??? did they buy them from a distributor who put in the extra efforts to make sure they were cleaned properly before putting them on CT's shelf..

don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting an SKS at CT, but a gun like the SKS is a risky sell at CT due to the know issues, and how CT might react due to "customer safety" and "Liability" issues..
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I cannot speak for every employee at CanTire, but I have heard them letting customers know that they have to thoroughly clean the SKS before it's ever used and highly suggest searching for a video on it. I will agree that not everyone will do their research or diligence when purchasing a new rifle, but I would love to assume the 99% of people know milsurps need to be cleaned because they've been in storage for X amount of years.

Still remember spending 4 hours cleaning the SKS when I brought it home to make sure it was as free of cosmoline as possible. I was very new to milsurps at that time and made sure I did everything I could to avoid a slam fire; granted, I did my research.
 
mdmaroon said:
They need to revise the Canadian Firearms Safety Course:


Crap that clogs up the action
Organic solvent will help clean it off
Smells awesome
Messy as hell
Old guns would rust without it
Leaks out of the wood for next thirty years
Inside every mechanism
Never shoot with a greasy bore
Everything you own will eventually be covered in it
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Fixed that for you
 
mdmaroon said:
They need to revise the Canadian Firearms Safety Course:

Crap that clogs up the action
Organic solvent will help clean it off
Smells awful
Messy as hell
Old guns would rust without it
Leaks out of the wood for next thirty years
Inside every mechanism
Never shoot with a greasy bore
Everything you own will eventually be covered in it
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Never seen this before. Most awesome; thanks.
 
I do not know if this was already posted, if it has been my apologies. Anyways I went to the CTC by my house to ask about this. The man at the firearms desk was quite knowledgeable and was told the issue was a slam fire brought on from a failure to clean the rifle properly. He had just found out after pushing the head office in case there was a defect that needed to be addressed. This store sold about 50 or so before they were pulled from the shelves. The plan is to have them back..with some sort of disclaimer to properly clean the rifle.
 
Anytime I buy a new Rifle I always like to read up on everything about it....even more so for Milsurps, this is partly because of the history of the Rifles and partly because I want to know if they have any potential issues or tendencies that I should be aware of before I shoot....I have a few books about SKS's and Mosin's.
 
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Exactly ,be it a milsurp or modern firearm ,I always do my homework before making a purchase ,and then download info & manualson that firearm ,as I believe it`s important to know how to strip it down and maintain it in a proper fashion.
Not much use if you cannot or don`t know how to take it apart, clean it and put it back together again ,cause who`s going to do it......a gunsmith ? That could get expensive .

KNOW YOUR FIREARM !!

Paul T
 
chrisco said:
A SKS rifle purchased at Canadian Tire went full auto.
This occured at Silverdale Gunclub
Authorities were contacted
Rifle was seized by said authorities

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the two are related

Shoot straight - chrisco
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$5 says the guy didn't clean the cosmoline out of the firing pin channel and had a bunch of slamfires...
 
Strato50 said:
Anytime I buy a new Rifle I always like to read up on everything about it....even more so for Milsurps, this is partly because of the history of the Rifles and partly because I want to know if they have any potential issues or tendencies that I should be aware of before I shoot....I have a few books about SKS's and Mosin's.
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My first rifle was an sks and before buying it, it read up on that particular rifle exhaustively. By the time I got it home i couldn't wait to tear it down and clean it. Spent a lot of time on CGN, Survivors SKS forum and Yooper Johns before i even touched the rifle.
 
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