Possible Pinned PMAG Supplier To Canada...!!!

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Every Pmag thats come up for sale for the past 12 months has been going for the $40 range.....and they are sold as soon as it is know they are available. Do try and pay attention.....they would have sold, and in a big way, even with all the #####ing about the price you guys could have moved product.

I own 12 of the things and never paid less than $35.......and I want more of them. :)

Expensive hobby, this one.
 
Mark, do you think Magpul would do a 10/30 "pistol" Pmag for Canada in a year or so when demand dies down in the USA if there was a market for them here at $40ish a piece?
 
Sorry guys, I don't mean to slag our Canadian importers, you guys do us a service, and I know dealing with the U.S. is a #####.....so thanks for doing what you do. ;)
 
Mark, do you think Magpul would do a 10/30 "pistol" Pmag for Canada in a year or so when demand dies down in the USA if there was a market for them here at $40ish a piece?

I don't see that happening for several reasons... but who knows. It's impossible to predict the future.

Mark
 
Mark, do you think Magpul would do a 10/30 "pistol" Pmag for Canada in a year or so when demand dies down in the USA if there was a market for them here at $40ish a piece?

Not a chance. The market is far too hot for the original Pmags. The pathetic market that is Canada isn't worth the effort to even entertain such a product.

TDC
 
HOLY CRAP!
I knew I should have never posted that info.
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WoWa WeeWaa. It was just a point to show how much our american borther's & sister's down south pay. Well it's say to say I will keep my foot in my mouth from know on when I find something interesting.
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Mark you saved me a bunch of typing. I was at the MagPul booth talking to Chris Costa and the PMAG conversation was going on beside us..you can't find a PMAG on a shelf in the US, no one can keep them in stock.
I'd have no problem paying $40 per mag for some.
 
I did pay 40 dollars a mag...a few at 50. Yeah its pricy but worth every penny cause I beat the crap outta the mags and they keep going. If they were cheaper great, but since we live where we live, I am realistic. There is a certain point where I would tap out, but 40 is where its at so I deal. Its no different then any other firearms or parts we want in canada. Just think, we could live in Australia where rifle prices are pretty much double. Yes they can have suppressors, but they pay for it.
 
Who says they aren't? BTW they use impact modified, long fibre reinforced PA66, HDPE is not up to the task.

Also, there are no patents/applications found for the Pmag, only a "patent pending" marking on the mags themselves, FWIW.

Have any destruction test results yet?
 
Ya I am - I USE my stuff (and friends':redface: ) I don't have a tendancy to set them down on satin pillows after being emptied. That said, I haven't been able to break PMAGs under normal use....yet. If I correctly understand what you were insinuating, then a comparison of the two would be cool.
 
I would pay $40.00 per mag, since I think the PMAG is a pretty good product. Hell, I'm paying $75 a shot for SIG mags for my CQB/Blue Star, etc...

Living in Canada there are certain realities we are forced to deal with and burying our heads in the sand isn't going to change that.

I don't know where this insatiable appetite to eat our own comes from. Running a small business myself, there are tons of little and not so little expenses that pop up that must be covered in order to run your business. When you factor in having to deal with a foreign government and cross border imports, plus several layers of government bureaucracy and regulations, on both sides of the border, costs have to rise...not to mention shipping and taxes/duty I can see where that price point comes from!

Our dealers aren't running charities and they have their own expenses to cover, in addition to hoping to make a profit. If you feel that the price asked is too much, you have the option of not buying it.
 
$40 is not an unreasonable price and that there is a large demand at $40

I currently pay $50 a PMAG and have no problem doing so, it's simple really, while others sit back and complain about the price, I pay it, and end up with a ton of PMAGS, either step-up and pay people, or end up empty handed.
 
OK let me say this... (for everybody)

Just because everybody has NO choice but to pay what the dealers ask... doesnt me we LOVE paying obscene amount for product we need. Yes need. We cant shoot rifles without mags... and since regular mags are going for what... 30 bux? why not spend the extra 10 or 15.

Doesnt mean we'll hand it over and be happy about it (just like todays fuel)... Just because we say "retailer sells them at X cost... it's a rip off" doesnt mean we are saying it's all the retailers fault... it has a $#!Tload to do with how the US export laws work... we all know that... and yes we understand the product moves in the states like hotcakes...

One question is... WHY DOESNT ANYBODY MANUFACTURE MAGS HERE!!!

I mean especially now since we probably can produce them a bit cheaper than the US... and they're selling stupid fast. And "exporting" to the US doesnt seem to be a problem... so making money will not be a problem for ever (mostly)

If I had the know-how, and the money to do it I'd be doing it years ago... being broke, and about 200K in debt I can do neither.

I can understand PMags are getting a manufacturing update... but what does that mean to a Canadian consumer... probably close to nothing in the next 2 years... and since the world is ending 2012... well... :p

@Questar... but doesnt that 30,000 get passed on to the consumer? in reality... if it costs you 250/permit(Y)... and you import lets say 10,000(X) pmags... doing the math says y*x=profit... ?

I dont mean to pic on Questar... since they do a great job... but I hear it everyday... "this costs us this" "we paid for this so much" etc etc... in the end aren't the consumers sucking up the costs? THat's just running good buisness.

We are just trying to find a way for the product to be cheaper... the gubment aint going to help us, that's for sure... so we try to find a way amongst us.

And yes I do feel paying 300% for a product is overpriced. (just personal opinion)

Luke
 
Why doesn't anybody manufacture mags? No idea, maybe not enough of a market, or, well, I don't know. Maybe someone could and sell them in the states, but given how many they could produce and extra costs of exporting down to the US (do they allow foreign high cap mag imports? What are the export costs here?) Maybe someone should contact KPA, or perhaps Alberta Tactical about investing in some polymer mag production. Or maybe go to a plastics company and see if any of them are willing to work with some CGNers on doing a run of mags.

Oh, and thank you Questar for explaining all the export BS that you have to go through. It's quite enlightening, and it amazes that you go through it all and the #####ing here on CGN to bring in product for us all.
 
One question is... WHY DOESNT ANYBODY MANUFACTURE MAGS HERE!!!

And yes I do feel paying 300% for a product is overpriced. (just personal opinion)

Luke

Simple answer...cost! Canada is an extremely small market when you're just talking about regular sporting rifles. It is even smaller when talking about black rifle guys.

To set up a specific operation just to produce injection moulded magazines to the same quality level of the PMAGS would cost hundreds of thousands, if not several million for the required machinery, not to mention an actual facility, incorporation costs, salaries, overhead, etc...

You can expect to sell less than 30,000 units to the Canadian market. Then what? The American market is extremely competitive and already over-saturated, plus there is no guarantees that another Democrat gun ban/magazine importation ban around the corner. Europe is another limited market. You can try for a military or LEO contract, but securing one of those could take years.

Even if you try and farm the moulding out to another company, costs would be prohibitive unless you placed a substantial order. A few thousand ain't gonna' cut it.

Either way you look at it, you aren't going to see a $10-$15 PMAG clone in Canada. You can try China or other Asian countries, but again, the quality isn't going to be there and when you factor in increasing prices from those markets, plus shipping costs, you aren't going to be saving that much, if anything. A few crappy mags, a negative comment or two here on CGN and suddenly the importer is sitting on thousands of magazines that no one is willing to take a risk on unless they're steeply discounted.

Paying $35-$40 a mag then, really isn't all that bad for an item that is otherwise unobtanium in Canada and in high demand in the US. Would I prefer to pay the American price? No question! Do I recognize that that isn't feasible, yes. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and accept reality. Of course, you could try waging a letter writing campaign to the US State Dept. and complain about their excessive fees and export restrictions. I'm sure they'll do what they can to accommodate you!;):p:D It sucks, but that is the price of living in Kanuckistan!:(
 
Simple answer...cost! Canada is an extremely small market when you're just talking about regular sporting rifles. It is even smaller when talking about black rifle guys.

To set up a specific operation just to produce injection moulded magazines to the same quality level of the PMAGS would cost hundreds of thousands, if not several million for the required machinery, not to mention an actual facility, incorporation costs, salaries, overhead, etc...

You can expect to sell less than 30,000 units to the Canadian market. Then what? The American market is extremely competitive and already over-saturated, plus there is no guarantees that another Democrat gun ban/magazine importation ban around the corner. Europe is another limited market. You can try for a military or LEO contract, but securing one of those could take years.

Even if you try and farm the moulding out to another company, costs would be prohibitive unless you placed a substantial order. A few thousand ain't gonna' cut it.

Either way you look at it, you aren't going to see a $10-$15 PMAG clone in Canada. You can try China or other Asian countries, but again, the quality isn't going to be there and when you factor in increasing prices from those markets, plus shipping costs, you aren't going to be saving that much, if anything. A few crappy mags, a negative comment or two here on CGN and suddenly the importer is sitting on thousands of magazines that no one is willing to take a risk on unless they're steeply discounted.

Paying $35-$40 a mag then, really isn't all that bad for an item that is otherwise unobtanium in Canada and in high demand in the US. Would I prefer to pay the American price? No question! Do I recognize that that isn't feasible, yes. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and accept reality. Of course, you could try waging a letter writing campaign to the US State Dept. and complain about their excessive fees and export restrictions. I'm sure they'll do what they can to accommodate you!;):p:D It sucks, but that is the price of living in Kanuckistan!:(


Here's your winner!!!! A solid dose of reality is what X-man has posted. Manufacturing anything is a high cost venture and Canada just isn't a big enough market for a lot of stuff. Magpul as well as other companies don't give a rats a$$ about Canada and have no real interest in servicing the Canadian market.

TDC
 
frankly I stand behind questar and the other dealers.... they sure get #####ed out alot and yes, even myself have give them a hard time on occasion :D

anyway, my advice.... bring them in.... even at $60 a magazine they would be sold out in no time, as usual give a discount for 10 packs, but frankly ignore the whiners... it is your buisness and I think you could turn a tidy profit importing them. so do it.
 
You can try China or other Asian countries, but again, the quality isn't going to be there

Whatever. The products made in China or 'other' Asian countries is the same if not better.
You are talking plastic here. Not Plasma TV's..... wait, those are made in China too.
See the sponsors above that ALL import parts and rifles from China. I don't see a problem with the quality.
 
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