Pre 64 Winchester 94 Experts unite!

seth

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Ok Old timers (haha!) it's time to school a young pup on Winchester Lever's.

I've picked up a Winchester 94 with the serial number 1885356

From what I know (very little) that put's it here:

1950 ended with number 1,724,295.

1960 ended with number 2,469,821

What do I have?

Has the addition of the modern sling mount and recoil pad (by the original owner) taken away from it's collector value?

What's she worth?

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Thanks in advance!
 
As far as I know, not a collector by any means, studs, pad and the barrel swap took it away.
Curious as to know why the replacement serial number sticker on the receiver?
Maybe barrel swap enticed it?
Enjoy using it though.
 
The WP stamp on the top rear end of the barrel and the almost same stamp on the
adjoinning top front of the receiver.
The second photo show you these two stamps.
The one on the receiver is slightly different and this has me scratching Huey, Luey and Duey.
More reading tonight unless someone else can explain why the two are not exactly the same.
That WP as I have been to believe is a Winchester stamp and the barrel was changed
at the Winchester plant/factory.
Enjoy this unit and go burn some powder me'lad.
 
According to Madis your serial no. dates to 1952, as for the proof mark it looks like the one on the receiver was a double stamp. The proof marks were added after the gun was test fired and would be done by hand, maybe the first strike wasent complete and was restruck a little off?
 
I'm not an oldtimer but I'll throw in my two cents! Lots of discrepency on their value in the last year or so and it varies by province in my experience. Rosie is right it is a 1952 or close to it. Sling studs, recoil pad, and the loss of the front sight hood mean it has very little collector value. I'm assuming its a 30-30 so for such a common caliber/model combo it really has to be close to mint and all original to be a collector piece. Looks like a good hunting rig to me. I'd say it's worth $300 tops. Probably $250 is a more realistic price.
 
as for the proof mark it looks like the one on the receiver was a double stamp. The proof marks were added after the gun was test fired and would be done by hand, maybe the first strike wasent complete and was restruck a little off?

Thanks Rosie, that does make sense after staring at it for a bit.
 
this gun made in 52 has seen and awful tough life. Two or three of these have sold on gunnutz in last couple weeks in beautiful condition in the 3 to 450 range. Value 250 because of condition and who knows what ever happened to it to make it look so confusing. but will still hunt good
 
Everybody seems to have given you all the info on that old girl. 1952 manufacture, Winchester made about 90,000 94's that year. The barrel markings and proofs all look correct for that gun (although someone did the old double smack bounce on the proof for the receiver). After 1902, all 94's would have two proofs, one on barrel and one on receiver.

Nothing wrong with it, other than the missing front sight hood, sling swivels, and buttpad, you have a well loved old '94 that has most definitely earned its keep for someone for a long time, congrats, here's hoping it will do the same for you for years to come.

Yes, even old tough guns like that still need lovin'. Treat 'em well and they'll stay around a long while yet!
 
Im gonna crash your party. I own a post 64 Win 94, and, defying all odds (or so it seems, according to these boards) it works flawlessly! Yes, I have NEVER had a problem. It cycles smoothly, fires when it supposed to, and works beautifully.
 
Yea, thats a carry over from the old days saber. I am not much for the post-64's but thats just a personal collecting/shooting choice. There is nothing wrong with them and they work like they were intended. I have a friend with a '72 94 and its been his deer gun since he was 16, shoots straight, works everytime and has never had any problems.
 
Okay, someone tell me what happened in 1964 to distinguish the Model 94 from it's earlier generations? I am quite familiar with the changes in the Model 70 that year, but have no idea about the '94 in '64.

There were certainly changes made to cheapen the '94, but I don't think they happened in 1964.

Ted
 
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According to Chuck Hawks,
1964 was a big year for Olin/Winchester. That was the year that their revised (for cheaper manufacture) line of firearms was introduced. Unfortunately, the revisions included the Model 94 lever action rifle. You have to understand that the Model 94 was an icon amongst lever action rifles and the standard of comparison at the time.

The reaction from gun writers and the shooting public to the changes was swift and terrible, and Winchester has never regained their former position of dominance. Ultimately, in 1981, Olin Corporation struck a licensing agreement with United States Repeating Arms to manufacture Winchester firearms, which were no longer a profitable line for Olin. In a few years Olin was out of the gun business. Olin still manufactures Winchester ammunition, however.

From 1894 to 1963 the Model 94 lever action rifle had been manufactured using high quality forged steel parts and stocked in genuine American black walnut. The metal finish was a highly polished blue and in the later part of that era the stock had a gloss finish. It was a very solid and handsome rifle, a legend in its own time, and an American icon. It was also the world's most popular sporting rifle, and still is with over 5,000,000 sold by 2001.

The changes to the Model 94 were relatively minor, but never the less devastating to the 94's reputation. Stamped sheet steel parts were substituted in non-critical areas for formerly forged steel parts. The most visible of these was the shell carrier, which raised cartridges from the magazine to the breech, and stood out like a sore thumb every time the action was operated. The loading gate became a stamped and riveted part, which was also obvious. And hollow steel roll pins, which just plain looked cheap, replaced the solid steel action pins. These were not the only changes, but they were the most obvious changes and, as I recall, the ones which drew the most criticism. As a lingering result of these changes, pre-1964 Model 94's are worth about 50% more than equivalent post 1964 models in similar condition on the used market.
 
I've seen a few of the stamped shell carriers f**k up.
Granted most of these hunting rifles never fire many shoots anyway.
Easiest way I've found, short of opening the action, to distinguish is the square pin which protrudes thru the lower tang to the lever lock. Pre 64s were round.
 
I need to retrack my barrel swap comment. I read somewhere in this land of FRED (frick'in rediculous electronic devices) that
if the top rear barrel and the adjoinning receiver area were stamped (WP), then the barrel was replaced by Winchester.
I as of now don't have much belief in this statement unless proven wrong. I have a couple here and am quite sure the barrels
are original and they too have the (WP) stamped on the same location. It was just posted not that long ago this is the stamp that Winchester does after test firing the firearm. That makes more sense to me. Anyone wish to clarify on this? Muchly appreciated.
Merry Christmas.
 
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