Precision Rifles or How to tie up money...

And THIS is why I don't bother with custom rifles; sure they're great and all, but who wants all the waiting and parts and what not. Sure, I might have paid more to get a factory rifle that's up to par, but time is worth something too, no?

Carl,

There's no stopping you - first the M40, now this and you even bring up a Timberwolf... When will it end!?!?
 
redman said:
And THIS is why I don't bother with custom rifles; sure they're great and all, but who wants all the waiting and parts and what not. Sure, I might have paid more to get a factory rifle that's up to par, but time is worth something too, no?

Carl,

There's no stopping you - first the M40, now this and you even bring up a Timberwolf... When will it end!?!?
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I agree with you, on gathering dust part :onCrack:

But another tip is to have little builds on the side while shooting the other rifles :D, then when barrel is done, decide on a caliber while shooting your already finished project rifle.....it's the circle of a rifle addict :D
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Precision rifles are just as addictive as drugs. I am not sure but strongly believe gunpowder is a refined byproduct of crack.

And the worst part is that it is not just the rifle that is spendy, there is the scope , then the loading gear, and ofcourse to have only 1 means it is lonely in the safe, so you need to build another 1 to keep it company, and then you realize that there are other calibers that merit use, so in no time you have 3, and everyone knows 3 will never get along, so yet another 1 is required to keep peace and harmony in the safe.:rolleyes:
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That is a wonderful SALES pitch.. Im Sold.... Where should i start on my collection of LR rifles??
 
If Rick would give a "taste" for free im sure he would see sales jump! :D
Thats what the kids in school did. LOL

Man, only if I didnt have a wife, a kid, a mortgage I would be right in there blowing everything on fancy stuff :D
 
AND, my last purchase (yet to be delivered) a tan Accuracy International AW 308 with all the goodies. **(That was cheap)**
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cant wait to see it. i love these guns. just curious is the tan stock an option if you order the rifle Ive only seen green and black
 
the nice part about owning a custom is that when you go to the range not everyone has the same gun as you. when u build one you can pick and choose what parts you want so the rifle is kinda a reflection of your personality.
 
It is funny how many individuals who have never owned a custom gun - slag on it. Having both factory and custom rifles - it is very difficult to go back to a factory rifle. I learned to shoot on factory grade equipment and with that experience figured out what was important to me and had it built. Like Jerry mentioned earlier the most important facet to a good rifle is the barrel - if you are getting a rifle with a barrel reamed off of a mass produced line. It is almost guaranteed to be a crap shoot. Most manufacturers will not offer a guarantee that their rifles will shoot. So if you are interested in precision why would you gamble on it - get a high quality barrel and have it reamed to precise dimensions. Regardless, this is one of those topics where you either see the value in custom or you don't.

Redman: You don't always get an on par rifle - for most custom builders you are paying and waiting for a rifle with the guarantee that it will shoot. To illustrate what I am saying - you have a beautiful Blaser but if you took it out to the range and it only could shoot 1.5" groups at 100m (not saying your rifle does) what recourse would you have to get the manufacturer to "improve" the rifle? Many manufacturer's will look at and say that the rifle falls within the factory specs for tolerances, too bad take a hike. So your next option is to take to a gunsmith. If the smith is not "approved" you have now voided your warranty and there is no guarantee that he can take the barrel and turn it into a sub-moa shooter. When you build custom you are taking a barrel from a known manufacturer (i.e. Hart, Shilen, Lilja, etc) of a known grade and have the chamber cut to tolerances that you specify to smith (many times the smith will provide advice but if you know what your doing he will make it). When you take it to the range - if it doesn't shoot you have somebody to take it back to and find out what it wrong. The wait can be a PITA but if you look at what is holding up the project it is very understandable. With a good smith, it isn't necessarily how busy he is but the wait to get the parts you specify. When I was having my .338LM built, it wasn't the smith holding up the project but parts coming to him from all over the country.
 
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Tell me about it!

My M40A3 project rifle was a 2 year parts endeavour - Casey had the rifle finished in 3 weeks when he started. He went so far as to apologize for taking so long. I was more than happy with him - ergo, he's getting all my business from now on.

My LTR is due by March, just because of all the others in the order. I have been spoiled by using non stock rifles. I don't think I'll ever own a stock rifle, unless it's say an Anschutz target rifle.

Do whatever you want - you're money! Whatever makes you happy!

Cheers, Carl
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I wouldn't call it "slagging", just a question of the waiting and adapting parts to each other and finding said parts, etc... Also the question of whether said parts will work together as well as you imagined. I like the idea of having a warranty (10 years in my case) because some parts tend to be finicky, like the QD scope mount which I had problems with. All I had to do was send it over to the local distributor and a week later I had it back. Things are eventually gonna go wrong with a rifle down the road, so I like the idea that I won't have to keep paying someone to fix it.

If I was a benchrest-style shooter (or used pedestals, rests and other such gizmos), I probably wouldn't go factory because those tight custom tolerances become apparent when you don't use bare hands...
 
Red: Never said you were slagging. (Why it was generalized and I directed my comments to you. But as you have a custom base on your Blaser, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black?
 
I've done it both ways. In fact, the most accurate 308 I have is made up of all factory parts. Hmm, does truing and fitting factory parts count as custom? In any case, as I will never be satisfied with one rifle, I am simply doomed to the acquisition of more and more, until I die. Then my wife will have one hell of a yard sale. - dan
 
^ My rifle's going in my casket, or to my kids, thank you very much ;)

Glock: just had a bit of the front ring shaved off and both rings subsequently lapped is all for the 20 MOA taper... I wouldn't call the base itself "custom", but without that custom job, I wouldn't have been 100% satisfied with my rig so ,in that sense, you do have a point...

Guess there's room for "custom" even in a factory man's arsenal :redface:, even though it'll be hard to find features like a take-down system and straight-pull bolt action on a custom rifle :D

Interestingly, it didn't affect the warranty on the mount! Either way, this one and only rifle DEFINETELY tied up my money...
 
Mutt-roc said:
some people like to drive BMW and some are happy with the chevy cavalier both will drive you around but we know which one gets all the ladies
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I agree but to a certain extent. The majority of shooters out there are not good enough to exploit the accuracy of a custom gun. I know that hurts our egos because we all think we shoot and tell others we shoot better than we really do. Then a guy who is a moa shooter spends the bucks and the time on a 1/2 moa guaranteed rifle and assumes he will shoot 1/2 moa or better, and is disapointed when it doesn't. No different than taking a guy who drives a Honda Civic and throwing him in Dale Earnhardt Jr's and have him run in the Daytona 500. Obviously the guy would be screwed as he does not have the talent or experience to drive that car to it's limit.
 
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