Precision Rifles or How to tie up money...

some people like to drive BMW and some are happy with the chevy cavalier both will drive you around but we know which one gets all the ladies

I agree but to a certain extent. The majority of shooters out there are not good enough to exploit the accuracy of a custom gun. I know that hurts our egos because we all think we shoot and tell others we shoot better than we really do. Then a guy who is a moa shooter spends the bucks and the time on a 1/2 moa guaranteed rifle and assumes he will shoot 1/2 moa or better, and is disapointed when it doesn't. No different than taking a guy who drives a Honda Civic and throwing him in Dale Earnhardt Jr's and have him run in the Daytona 500. Obviously the guy would be screwed as he does not have the talent or experience to drive that car to it's limit. But as has been said though, it personal choice and if it makes u happy, fill your boots. Sorry for that double post, if I could delete the first one I would.
 
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Precision rifles are just as addictive as drugs. I am not sure but strongly believe gunpowder is a refined byproduct of crack.

And the worst part is that it is not just the rifle that is spendy, there is the scope , then the loading gear, and ofcourse to have only 1 means it is lonely in the safe, so you need to build another 1 to keep it company, and then you realize that there are other calibers that merit use, so in no time you have 3, and everyone knows 3 will never get along, so yet another 1 is required to keep peace and harmony in the safe.:rolleyes:

And lets not forget that a custom precision rifle seems to require the most expensive components available.

Custom rifles are expensive, and only the buyer can determine if the investment is worthwhile. The biggest problem is that the first custom build you will probably get wrong. You will pick the wrong cartridge, choose to heavy a barrel (or too light), get a stock that doesn't quite feel they way you thought it should, and get a scope that turns out to be unsuitable for your purposes. Then you'll sell this boat anchor at a loss and start again.

One of my custom guns is a M-7 in .243, lets just say that this rifle isn't perfect. The 22" medium weight Lilja barrel has decent balance, and it's not a bad rifle to carry around, but with a 1:10 twist I can't shoot match bullets heavier than 95 grs, and I've tried. The results were quite disheartening. The B&C stock feels clubby, and the shape of the pistol grip is such that I have to put conscious effort into each shot so as not to "drag wood" and pull the shot to the right. Someday I'll improve it, or just start again with another action, and hang this one on the wall as an example of how not to do it. In this case my pal's off the rack fly weight Weatherby MK V .25/06 was more accurate, easier to carry, easier to shoot, more versatile and nicer to look at.

I consider myself lucky though. That M-7 didn't cost a fraction of what my .308 or my .375 cost, and both of these rifles and my wife's semi-custom .30/06 Husky are near perfection for my/our purposes, although they might not be for you. The key to success in choosing the components for your custom rifle is to know what it is you want before you start. Everyone wants an accurate rifle, but if your custom build is to be used for hunting as well as range work, does it need to weigh 20 pounds? If you choose a fixed 30X scope for long range work, have you thought about how you will deal with mirage? Yet a pair of fixed power scopes, one low power and the other high might be a better investment for you than an expensive variable from Nightforce or S&B. If you chose an economy target or worse yet tactical scope, are the adjustments accurate out at their limits and are they repeatable. Did you choose a powerful cartridge (.30-378, .338 Lapua, .408 CheyTac, etc) for its long range performance without regard to the cost of components, or to the effects the recoil might have on your shooting? Did you make sure that the stock of your dreams will fit you, that is suitable for the weight of the barreled action, and that the comb is a suitable height for your sights. Have you actually tried a 2 oz trigger before you ordered one?

The more you shoot and the longer you shoot, the better you will understand what you need, therefore I would consider a custom rifle a mistake for the entry level shooter. There are not many shooting disciplines that are not catered to with off the rack guns, so shoot one of them and make a list of what you would like to change and why. Then decide if you should just tweak your off the shelf rifle, or go for a full blown custom rifle.
 
Dan/Red: Truing Factory parts is custom - not full custom but it is custom. All the parts for a full custom come from a factory somewhere but as soon as you have taken modified your rifle with a gunsmith to a level that is not commonly offered then you have customised it. (Semi-Custom vs Full Custom).
 
and still not have anything that actually sends rounds down range...I think it was cheaper hanging out in the Black Rifles section and drinking the Colt Kool-Aid...anyone else have any money pit build stories?.

Hey Ray here's my newest money pit before I took off the paint to show off the birthday suit.

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If you're thinking big deal its just an M40A1 stock....its one of these that makes me smile everytime I look at it

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Thankfully my "Moneypit" is finished...........................:rolleyes:.............(Yea sure!!!).

Roughly $8G or so later..............

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...............To be Continued....................:rolleyes:
 
The majority of shooters out there are not good enough to exploit the accuracy of a custom gun. I know that hurts our egos because we all think we shoot and tell others we shoot better than we really do. Then a guy who is a moa shooter spends the bucks and the time on a 1/2 moa guaranteed rifle and assumes he will shoot 1/2 moa or better, and is disapointed when it doesn't.


I hear you on that one. I can shoot fine if i have the proper rests and optics but when it comes to reloading i have yet to come close to any sort of consistancy. i get 1/2" group one time and then 1 1/2" group with the next batch of reloads.

so for me it's not always the rifle or the shooter that is the problem but the reloading technique or lack of it.
 
Nice rigs guys.

crout, the devil is in the details. Reloading accurate and consistent ammo is very straightforward. You need quality dies, a reliable and accurate scale, match grade bullets.

Load with a quality extruded powder lit by a match primer if possible, you will get good results.

What do you think you are doing wrong?

Jerry
 
Ante, nice piece of history you have there mate. Very much worthy of a religious and authentic build...hopefully it doesn't find its way on a more "modern" build...what is the serial number on it?.

Ed, amazing detail as always dude...I have one of your arid camo jobs here...awesome...
 
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crout, the devil is in the details. Reloading accurate and consistent ammo is very straightforward. You need quality dies, a reliable and accurate scale, match grade bullets.

Load with a quality extruded powder lit by a match primer if possible, you will get good results.

What do you think you are doing wrong?

Jerry

I'm not exactly sure. possibly my rcbs 5-10 scale is out of whack. it is 30+ years old. and i usually just use a lee deluxe die set for neck sizing and bullet seating. i use good powders(i think) varget in my 22-250 i had and r-19 and h4350 in my old swede i had.
for the 6.5x55 i'm building i'm getting some lapua brass and will be using 140gr amax moly coated bullets. I know there is better and cheaper bullets but i already have 500 of them. if i didn't already have them i'd try some 139gr lapua scenars or 142gr sierra matchkings. and my powder choices are varget or h4831sc and will use lee deluxe dies until i can scrounge some money for a competition bullet seater.
 
Ante, nice piece of history you have there mate. Very much worthy of a religious and authentic build...hopefully it doesn't find its way on a more "modern" build...what is the serial number on it?.

Ed, amazing detail as always dude...I have one of your arid camo jobs here...awesome...

Well its a little tough to do an exact copy so I'm going to modernize it a bit. Its s/n 9576 with matching trigger gaurd and floorplate. The camo paint was THICK from over the years of different "vacation spots" The only deviation will be a picatinny rail, Badger 30mm rings and Nightforce 3.5-15x50 scope. I'm not too concerned with the "right" s/n range, Unertl MST100 and proper scope mount...unless of course you can help a buddy out ;)

Rifle is going to be finished near the end of February - just in time for my bday :dancingbanana:

Ante
 
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