Preferred loads or bullets for .233 / 7" twist ...

I have the same Savage model 12 as well. FOr the Burger 90gr and some of the 80's and other heaver bullets I made a feed ramp that works off a savage mag. I first got the bench rest follower from Mystic precision(Jerry is the best) then I took a mag from the savage, carefully measured the depth of the follower and cut the same amount of the mag sides(I disassembled the mag first) after securely epoxying the follower to the mag. It works great. if you want pics I can email them to you PM me.
 
bulldog284 said:
oh you mouseketeers are a funny bunch lol...and if my memorie serves me right it was a 308 that won the nationals and the ontario provincials last year (kenny)
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Is it really the caliber of the rifle that wins matches or is it the caliber of the shooter? In my experience most rifles can shoot better than the person firing them
 
Tikka223 said:
All ammo was loaded to the same length. Unfortunately I have no way to check runout. Should seating depth be one of the first or last things that I experiment with? As in, is it best to try different powder loads first or to start with a recommended load and play with seating depth?
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A smooth glass table top and let the loaded round role. Watch the bullet tip.
You can detect gross run out and maybe finer.

NormB
 
manitou210 said:
There is group of .224 shooters in Ottawa all shooting 1/7 twist mostly customs 28 to 32" barrels. And factory savages with 1/7 twist over the last 3 years we have combined fired over 10,000 rounds. and have tested over 10 diffrent powders, and many different bullets have been tested. Lots of chrongraphed loads with Ohler 35 chrono.
Also have what we call Ultra Deuces, 1 Barnard 30" 1/7 T tru Flite in 22/250 shooting 90gr should be a shooter. One just been finished and soon as it warms up will begin testing.
Barnard/30"Tru-Flite 6.5x47 Lapua neck down to .224 I think this will be a hummer.
There is 5 shooting 223/Hart, Kreiger, TF with long throats for the 80 & 90gr Bergers we call them the Super Deuces and they all have shot .190 to .225 at 100y and all under .750" at 300y as well one Savage shot a .750 at 300y (once).

Here is some tips for the 223 Rem

Tip One: Hornadys are not consistant HPBT and even worst are the A max 80gr, yes you will shoot a good group but you will get more flyers, loose tips, 80gr Sierras work well, JLK 80s are just amazing. 69gr sierras very good but won,t run with the 80 & 90gr Bergers at 300 if there is any breaze, unless you are really good watching the flags

Tip: Two Use Lapua brass and do all preping on Brass

Tip: 3 Must have good scope clear and at least 24x with fine cross or dot and a trigger that breaks clean and light.
If you want to shoot 1000 yards you must use the 90gr the 80s will not run against them in wind, you just can,t give up 100+ BCs and the 80s at 600y will get you more bulls than the 80s if there is wind. dead calm evening I would use the 80s trhey group a little smaller than the 90s

manitou
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Hey manitou, you left out tip 4 and 5... powder and primers. suggestions???

NormB
 
Mr Fix it

you hit the nail on the head,it is very much the nut behind the butt that counts.

you can have the best equipment money can buy but if you dont know how to read the wind it aint gona happen,thats the bottum line focks..
 
Getting this thread alive again.

I bought 80 gr Berger VLD this weekend, and some CFE223. One question, do you think I can follow the Hodgdon starting load, even if it is written for the Sierra 80 grains ?

Any tips on using the VLD ? I heard that they should be loaded touching the rifling.
 
TRIM YOUR BRASS IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE! That's what I learned today. I've been going back and forth between the two .223 rifles that I own (one a Tikka with a 1/8 twist, and the other a Savage with 1/7 twist). I had loaded up some 75gr AMAXs to test out a few months ago and since bought a case trimmer. I decided to do an experiment. I trimmed some once fired brass from the same rifle (Savage with 1/7") made a copy of the original loads. I fired all rounds on the same day, same conditions, same set up etc.

Winchester once fired brass, neck trimmed to 1.745", used Lee Collet neck sizing die twice (rotating the case slightly before sizing it again), CCI BR4s, Hornady 75gr AMAX and Varget. The power loads are written on the targets next to the groups. (UT) is for untrimmed cases, (T) is for trimmed.

End result; trimmed brass makes a difference.

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Just to contribute to the pet loads and testing, I've been trying out some 80Amax using Win brass from the same lot. I highly recommend match prepping win brass. I neck turned to .011", debur the flash hole (important for win brass IMO) and trim to length. I visually weeded out all the non-concentric cases when neck turning.

Best load of the day is 24.6gn of Varget with 0.010" jump
Shilen SSSM barrel 26" 1:8
Average Velocity:2831 fps
Extreme spread: 21 fps
Average deviation: 5.7 fps
200m
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