stormbringer
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- S.W. Ontario
Many matches have been full in the past.
Heck I think that the Brantford L2 in Jan is already
Prepayment or not for IPSC Matches, split from Omens thread
- Thread starter Slavex
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Many matches have been full in the past.
Heck I think that the Brantford L2 in Jan is already
I believe the point of the exercise was to cut back of the number of no-shows. It seems some MD's have a problem of a bunch of people saying they will be attending a match (no prepayment) then not showing up.
Oh yes.....believe me I hear about that.
My point was, most matches, I THINK, have room for a couple more people, regardless if the website say it is full or not.
Believe me, I wish there was a system in place, so that people don't flood the sign up on the first day, and then not show up.
If there is a match that I want to attend, I usually plan on going, regardless of what the on line sign up says, check it the night before, there is usually a few decent people that have the courtesy to drop out!
I was more thinking about just showing up as a walk on, have people been turned away?
It should run like this. It is too long of a process to mail in payment and alot of people do not like to use their CC online soooo....
Use Omen's sight as it stands without any option for prepayment.
If you sign up and do not show up to the match without an excused absence the match fee should be added onto your IPSC Ontario dues the following year.
The prepayment mail in is a really bad setup. I am sure I will get flamed for saying that but it is a bad system.
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- Prince George B.C.
Well...Every match I have attended in B.C. has required pre-registration and prepayment with a cutoff - usually about 2 weeks before the match- and I have zero issues with it.
Every club in B.C. uses this system...including the one I belong to.
Requiring money up front requires a committment on my part. If something goes wrong and I can't attend I know I have lost my entry fee - barring a major catastrophe such as a death in the family in which case a refund MIGHT be possible.
Even with a cutoff date some MD's will allow late entries if a vacancy exists. Usually you just have to contact them ahead of time and get an O.K.
From what I have seen this system works very well.
John
To add what John has said, we are also required to work the match. You shoot a half day and work the other half.
I have always mailed a cheque before the "certain date" to get the cheaper rate. I would much rather pre-pay and be sure of my spot, than drive all the way to an out of town match to find it is full. I work rotating shifts and a lot of weekends so I need to plan match attendance well in advance anyway.
I don't see any problem with mandatory pre-registration and pre-payment. If there is room for a "show up on the day", then by all means add them, but no guarantees. Seems fair to me.
I don't see any problem with mandatory pre-registration and pre-payment. If there is room for a "show up on the day", then by all means add them, but no guarantees. Seems fair to me.
and who would keep track of this?
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S.W. Ontario
OH do you not anticipate hundreds lining up to be pissed upon for taking this on?
Really?
make them pay up first
I think Omens sign up system works very well.
you can be put on waiting list for multiple squad times and if one comes available, you're automatically signed up in that slot and then you're off the waiting list and others in line bump up...it's very simple and very easy...
Now, the thing about no shows....the MD's should record and report these somehow on to this online system (or to Omen, if he's o.k. with the work) and if a specific shooter is guilty of this offense more than once, the system will only allow that person to reserve a slot after prepayment received.
I wonder how irresponsible these shooters are...cause if you remove yourself from the list within 48 hours, maybe less, the system automatically emails next on waiting list that they are now squaded...I just hope if at that last minute, that shooter can't make it either now, that they quickly remove themselves from the list....for the then next in line to get the slot....
I don't think we'll find the perfect system...but making shooters who don't show up regularly pay up ahead, is only fair and if they complain, tell them to F@#* #@F
I was a no show once, a few years back and felt terrible, but was intending to show up right up to that morning, when my alarm didn't go off and the cheap motel wake up didn't happen either and had no internet access and called a couple shooters I knew that might be there to inform them I will be way too late now to make it (was in Niagara, but couldn't get thru to anyone....
I cancel matches, but always within a few days to a week or more....giving next on waiting list time to be informed as such
I think Omens sign up system works very well.
you can be put on waiting list for multiple squad times and if one comes available, you're automatically signed up in that slot and then you're off the waiting list and others in line bump up...it's very simple and very easy...
Now, the thing about no shows....the MD's should record and report these somehow on to this online system (or to Omen, if he's o.k. with the work) and if a specific shooter is guilty of this offense more than once, the system will only allow that person to reserve a slot after prepayment received.
I wonder how irresponsible these shooters are...cause if you remove yourself from the list within 48 hours, maybe less, the system automatically emails next on waiting list that they are now squaded...I just hope if at that last minute, that shooter can't make it either now, that they quickly remove themselves from the list....for the then next in line to get the slot....
I don't think we'll find the perfect system...but making shooters who don't show up regularly pay up ahead, is only fair and if they complain, tell them to F@#* #@F
I was a no show once, a few years back and felt terrible, but was intending to show up right up to that morning, when my alarm didn't go off and the cheap motel wake up didn't happen either and had no internet access and called a couple shooters I knew that might be there to inform them I will be way too late now to make it (was in Niagara, but couldn't get thru to anyone....
I cancel matches, but always within a few days to a week or more....giving next on waiting list time to be informed as such
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well John, having been the SC when Alberta introduced on line registration and prepayment i am very familiar with the problems and it is a lot easier in Alberta since everything is run through IPSC Alberta. However to have someone that a) would be dump enough to volunteer for the position and b) be willing to do all of the work, contacting MD's verifying with the shooter etc, it would almost become a full time job. i know when Cathy and i looked after it, it probably ran us about 16 hours a match including squadding. it would basically eat up 4 to 5 nights of our time.
People come up with these bright ideas all of the time but they don't realize the work involved in it.
People come up with these bright ideas all of the time but they don't realize the work involved in it.
What is the work involved. You wouldn't be doing anything more than is done now. I would still use OMEN's sight the way it is now. Except all sign up's would be first come first served. The only difference would be that the MD would let IPSC Ontario know who was a no show and what the match fee was.
i dont mind prepayment, i just wish that cash was accepted more for level 2 and 3 and yearly ipsc membership, some of us have a hell of a time waiting for a cheque to come out of our banks , when we got rent and carpayments and insurance and crap like that comming out, i wish i would just beable to pay cash, even if i had to go and meet the MD or ipsc membership director for a coffee or at the range and put a few rounds down range and BS a bit.
but only my 2c
but only my 2c
Because somebody at IPSC Ontario would have to keep track of it all, then at year end individual bills would have to be made up for each member rather then just a a mass mail out. I would take a guess that each no show would generate one to two man hours of work for IPSC Ontario. remember EVERYONE at IPSC Ontario is a volunteer so someone would have to volunteer to do this.
Please let me know were you live, so I can visit you when I need a break from reality.
Some one sends in their IPSC Ontario dues. Deny them until they send in the match fee for the match they "no showed". Done.
I am sorry guys, but the "no show issue" is what this is all about. we should be fined for not showing to a match period! Pre payment I have found limits those who are not set up for it. Maybe I would like to attent the provincials but I cannot afford the prepayment right know etc.etc. Do you honestly think every one will pre pay for level one's.
I really don't care if you like my idea's or not. But narrow minded BS is how the whole shooting sports is dealt with now. I thought a fresh idea might help
Sorry
maka
This does nothing to stop the problem...it's just "punishment" when it happens.
That's called "planning to fail".
This entire thread is retarded...not even pictures would save it
That's called "planning to fail".
This entire thread is retarded...not even pictures would save it
so, whats wrong with the md inputting into the online system when theres a no show and after 2 or 3 which ever is decided, the system automatically requests payment from that shooter before releasing sign up to him/her ..?
This does nothing to stop the problem...it's just "punishment" when it happens.
That's called "planning to fail".
This entire thread is retarded...not even pictures would save it
So you think people will still "no show" when they start incurring penalties.
SO basically the police and our whole justice system are "planning to fail"
The whole premise of a fine is to detur people from doing it.
Again, I thought we were just throwing around idea's of how to make the system better. Omen's sight is great the way it is. The only thing I would change is a fie for no show's.
maka
