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I have a chance to buy / trade for a 1944 dated DUV43 marked G43. I had a chance to give it the once over and consulted with a knowledgible dealer. The seller is open to trades which complicates the pricing, but I have a good idea of the market value of the other guns we might include in the negotiations. I would like to throw the question to the well-regarded masses.

What $$ price would you consider fair for a 1944 dated DUV43 marked G43, no magazine, no cleaning rod, no top rear cover (? - was told it was missing, but there is a stamped cover with a slot to see the operating spring), yes front sight hood, yes laminated stock, yes composite front handguard, yes with even finish overall, and yes machined rail for scope base on the right rear receiver rail.
 
A big determiner on price will be if the serials match on all the parts, if it is a DDR rebuild or other, it will be mismatched and they will be forcematched with electropencil.

No dust cover on the bolt cover and no magazine will hurt the price as well. The Durofoil handguard (sounds like it is from your description) is desirable for collectors so that'll help the price.

G43's could go anywhere from $1500 for a mismatched rifle with all the parts intact to $2000-2500 or more for matching examples, dependent on the rarity of the manufacturers's codes. At least that is the going rate in the States right now. They are a good investment as the prices have skyrocketed in the past few years.
 
Steve and Tiriaq:

You have bracketed what a dealer quoted. I asked what he would pay for the rifle, which he knows and the seller who he also knows. He gave a lower price, but qualified it saying a few hundred more was all he'd go if it was complete.

The four digits of the serial number are electropenciled on several of the small parts. So right away I suspected it had been rebuilt postwar, and was not a 1945-46 veteran's "trophy". Plus the condition was better than what I'd expect of Great Uncle Hubert's 'old German army gun'.

Is there a spring steel piece on the rear action cover? Most of the photos I've seen show the cover, but not clearly enough for me to understand what does what function.

The rod is apparently the same as any K98 rifle, so I am not worried about replacing it. But, seeing you are looking for a mag, how long have you been looking? This may be a critical negotiating point with the seller.

Your thoughts please.
 
The piece on the rear of the action cover is commonly called a dust cover. It is not needed for the action to cycle correctly and it's only function is to keep dust and particles out of the interior of the bolt assembly. They are quite easy to find, scan the net or check the glockandload.com G43 forums, always people selling parts on there. Regardless, shouldn't effect the selling price much.

Magazines are out there but fairly rare. I have a magazine that came with mine but am always looking for more. They are available in the States all the time but the 10 round function of it prevents import unless you get it pinned down there, big hassle. I would think that would effect the price from $100-200, as that is what they are going for now.

The rods are the same as K98's, so are available quite cheaply.
 
"...no magazine...no top rear cover..." Gunparts wants $60.90US($67Cdn) plus shipping for an 8 round, 8mm mag, they list as being in stock. They list the dust cover at $18.40US, but don't have any. Whether they can or will ship you a mag is another question.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I have a chance to buy / trade for a 1944 dated DUV43 marked G43. I had a chance to give it the once over and consulted with a knowledgible dealer. The seller is open to trades which complicates the pricing, but I have a good idea of the market value of the other guns we might include in the negotiations. I would like to throw the question to the well-regarded masses.

What $$ price would you consider fair for a 1944 dated DUV43 marked G43, no magazine, no cleaning rod, no top rear cover (? - was told it was missing, but there is a stamped cover with a slot to see the operating spring), yes front sight hood, yes laminated stock, yes composite front handguard, yes with even finish overall, and yes machined rail for scope base on the right rear receiver rail.
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Post some pics of the beast. Just a quick question. You say it's a 1944 dated duv43 G43? Are you sure it isn't a duv44 as the date always came after the 2 or 3 letter manufactures code.
If it's a duv43, the 43 implies 1943 for the year of manufacture.
 
No pictures yet. Didn't look at the bore. I thank you for the leads on parts at Numrich. Where there is a will, there is a way.

I remember the 3 letter/2 digit combination as well as a date. (Since I'm only allowed one mistake a month, I don't want to waste it by using it on a typo.)

I'll see the gun next week. Hopefully, I will be bringing back too.
 
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Coyote Ugly..you seem rather well informed on these rifles...so if you dont mind, I'll lean on you for some info. I have a G 43, that is in excellent shape, all complete except for the sight hood. It has an X on the left side, just below the rear ladder sight. All the numbers match, whether stamped, or penciled. The mag has a matching penciled serial number, but is marked "K-43" aye, and has the waffen ampt eagles. The rifle is stamped G43 ac44, and is covered in eagles. The bore is outstanding, and I have shot this rifle, and it is suprisingly accurate. As you noted earlier, this rifle has a blued butt plate.
I have been told this was a late war manufacture, as it dosen't have a scope rail cut in the right side of the receiver....The stock and hand guard are matching blond laminate, with no dents or dings. It also has the dust cover complete. This rifle is in excellent + condition. Want to take a shot at value? I know its hard..but I'm thinking of letting it go, and would like a ball park as to where to start at.
Thank you.
 
Rico, I may be able to help too as I have the almost exact rifle as you describe besides the blond stock. If it has electropenciling on it, it is likely a VoPo East German rework. The 'X' on the stock is another clue. Does it have a 'sun'-like marking at the bottom of the wristgrip stamped into the stock or on the side of the reciever by the serial somewhere?

With all parts present, VoPo reworks easily start at $1500 and get it. In the condition you describe, it would likely be closer to $2000. Because they are rare and much sought after, you might even be able to go higher than that and get it.
 
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Steve1973..thanks much for the info. I have gone over the laminate stock with a fine tooth comb, and cant find any kind of markings. The "X" I refered to is a single X, all by itself, stamped on the left side of the receiver, just under the sight. In fact, before this thread and I looked closer...I hadnt noticed it before...but its there. I had no idea these were reworks..Does yours have the dovetail for the scope? I have an old german/austrian gunsmith here who is familiar enough with these rifles, and he wants me to let him cut it. I dont think I will though...your thoughts...again thanks.
 
Well, it could be a replacement stock or maybe it has other history to it. The X thing is usually on Russian capture weapons as far as I know. An original German G43 will have no electropencilling on it, only stamped serials. The pencil is Ivan's work. My VoPo has an electropenciled mag and the bolt housing has been scrubbed and renumbered to match the reciever.

I would definitely not let anyone touch your G43 to mount/cut a rail. Rail-less G43's are totally collectable in their own right as it reflects late war design. Probably more collectable as even less of them were produced. It would devalue the rifle a great deal. Mine does have a scope mount rail but it might be a Ac44 that was produced earlier in the year.

Do you have any pictures of it? Like the reciever or other stuff. Might help some of the guys nail down exactly what you have.
 
Sounds like you have a nice Russian Capture rifle. If you can, Post some pictures of it. Thanks.
 
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The various books and websites I've started reading suggest that the absence of a sight slot on a G43 is possibly a receiver that was intially rejected, but returned to the production line at some later point. Possibly rejected because the slot was improperly made, but still within specification to be made up as a functioning rifle for the war effort.

I have asked a librarian to find a copy of, "Hitler's Garand" the apparently authoritative reference. More to follow.
 
Maple Leaf, so did you end up buying the G43 from George? I remember looking at that rifle at the Cornwall show.

maple_leaf_eh said:
The various books and websites I've started reading suggest that the absence of a sight slot on a G43 is possibly a receiver that was intially rejected, but returned to the production line at some later point. Possibly rejected because the slot was improperly made, but still within specification to be made up as a functioning rifle for the war effort.

I have asked a librarian to find a copy of, "Hitler's Garand" the apparently authoritative reference. More to follow.
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maple_leaf_eh said:
I have asked a librarian to find a copy of, "Hitler's Garand" the apparently authoritative reference. More to follow.
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I have the book and I can look up what you need, but you'll have to give me an exact idea what to check for. If you give me a coffee break, you'll have to retrain me.... :D

Regards,
Badger
 
4b1t said:
Maple Leaf, so did you end up buying the G43 from George? I remember looking at that rifle at the Cornwall show.
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Man, this internet thing doesn't keep secrets for long! Yes, I did a 2 for 1 trade. I've been watching zefarm's page valleyguns auction for my old ones to turn up on consignment. I may have given up too much, but the G43 fills a particular hole in the collection and there were duplicates elsewhere.
 
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