primer powered wax bullets: 38 S&W

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Finally got around to trying these powderless wax bullets: the primer alone is what sends these downrange. I began by taking some old Dominion brass whose primer pockets were getting too loose for regular reloading, and drilled out the flash holes using a 3/32in (2.4mm) drill bit. I used a dremel and held the brass with a grippy set of cheap gloves. Those are CCI small pistol primers, btw. I melted the wax at 300 in the oven for about 12 minutes, and used enough to make it about 1/2in deep. My first efforts weren't good, as the wax hadn't cooled enough: the top was solid, but underneath the wax was still liquid. It wasn't working, so I remelted the wax and started over. I let it cool off more and tried again, this time with better results:

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I tried turning the case, then breaking it off with a sideways rocking motion, but found many times that just left a 38 sized plug of wax in the pan. I had better luck pushing them in, letting it cool, then just rocking them sideways and lifting them out. Some of them, when pushed into the wax, slowly sprang back a ways- I guess the air trapped in their was expanded by the residual heat? Some others didn't work so well: they just broke off part way. I'll just shoot them off:

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A larger pan would have been easier to work with, but would have required me to melt more wax. I was only making up 50 rds so didn't need a large pan. I used 1 block of parowax, which was divided into 4 sections, I broke off 3 sections and melted that much, and still had leftover wax. The blocks came in 3/4in blocks, and I only wanted 1/2in, so I poured off the liquid wax until I had it down to half inch.

You can see the red magic marker I used to identify these as drilled out and not for use other than for wax rounds. After I shoot them, but before decapping, I'll spray paint the heads with day-glo, as the sharpie is already coming off. When I get up to the range to try these, I'll take pictures and let you know the results. I have no idea what range they'll be effective at, or how accurate, but then again, this is a "fun" project, so I'm not too concerned. Hopefully I'll shoot these soon, but I'm waiting for the road up to our range to dry out. Right now, it's impassable except for 4WD.

And here's my Victory that I'll be using them in:

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I tried that a few years ago and didn't have much luck. I drilled my brass out with a # 42 bit (.0935 dia., 3/16 is .0937, so almost the identical size). The primers backed out on every one and would lock the revolver up solid.
I was always going to re-drill them out to 5/32 (.1562 dia.) so that there would be no pressure rise in the primer pocket but never got around to it.

I don't know why the original drill size didn't work as it was a recomended size to drill to by an article in a gun mag by a fellow that did it regularly. hope you have better luck.
 
One guy made them with hot glue, and lubed the #### out of them.. They worked for him.

I tried melting the lead out of some LHP's that I had, and just seating the copper jacket.. Ended up having to sprinkle about 1-2 grains of black powder under them to get them to come out of the barrel.
 
Prime them after seating the wax and you wont have issues with it trying to back out. I dont recall what size drill I used on the flash holes.

If you have a well ventilated area just hang up a blanket or sheet of canvas as a backstop. They will give a nasty welt but are good for fastdraw practice.
 
This ^ would actually make it easier to seat the wax, as the air displaced has somewhere to go. It's curious that priming them after would stop the primers from backing out, but thanks for the suggestion- next time I'll try that.
 
I tried that a few years ago and didn't have much luck. I drilled my brass out with a # 42 bit (.0935 dia., 3/16 is .0937, so almost the identical size). The primers backed out on every one and would lock the revolver up solid.
I was always going to re-drill them out to 5/32 (.1562 dia.) so that there would be no pressure rise in the primer pocket but never got around to it.

I don't know why the original drill size didn't work as it was a recomended size to drill to by an article in a gun mag by a fellow that did it regularly. hope you have better luck.

The advice I read said to use the next size bit up, so that's what I went with. Thanks, I'll post pics when it happens.
 
Prime them after seating the wax and you wont have issues with it trying to back out. I dont recall what size drill I used on the flash holes.

If you have a well ventilated area just hang up a blanket or sheet of canvas as a backstop. They will give a nasty welt but are good for fastdraw practice.

I can't remember if I seated the wax or primers first but you have sure peaked my interest again to do some experimenting. "Gunpowder & experimenting", does life get any better!!!!
 
This ^ would actually make it easier to seat the wax, as the air displaced has somewhere to go. It's curious that priming them after would stop the primers from backing out, but thanks for the suggestion- next time I'll try that.

Yes its mostly just to make the wax easier to press in. If the primers are backing out and jamming the works you probably need to open the flash hole a bit more.
 
Yes its mostly just to make the wax easier to press in. If the primers are backing out and jamming the works you probably need to open the flash hole a bit more.

I guess I misunderstood your first post. I thought you were sugesting that seating the primers after seating wax would change the internal pre-load presure enough to not unseat the primers. Of course it didn't, still locked up solid in three different guns. So out to the shop tomorrow to re-drill.

As for the "leaves a welt" comment, I bet those wax bullets sure do that in spades. At about 15 ft, I had them going tru 3 layers of fairly stiff corugated shipping box cardboard and flatening out against the fourth layer (federal s/p mag primers). I was realy surprised as I didn't think the wax had enough strength to hold together for one layer let alone three layers.
 
I guess I misunderstood your first post. I thought you were sugesting that seating the primers after seating wax would change the internal pre-load presure enough to not unseat the primers. Of course it didn't, still locked up solid in three different guns. So out to the shop tomorrow to re-drill.

It was worth a try anyway. You might have discovered something that the rest of us didn't know. :)

I was mostly using a top-break Webley with my wax loads which was handy for getting out the shells when the primers did back out. Could be a serious pain with a single action.
 
So I did a little testing today. I drilled some brass out with a 1/8 in bit and some with a 9/64 bit.

The 1/8 drilled brass worked very well. The primer pocket still had enough base to hold the primer anvil in place. Every shot fire without pushing the primer back out of the case. The revolvers worked flawlessly.

The 9/64 cases, half the cases fired on the first hammer strike, the rest all fire but it took two strokes. It looked as tho they would have enough pocket base to give the primer anvil enough ledge to seat on but after firing, when I was de-priming, I discovered all the anvils had been forced out thu the flash hole and became projectiles.

It was just a small batch of each that I tried but it looks as tho the 1/8 hole is the only one using further.
 
just testing for function today. The ones I was shooting a couple of days ago I was hitting a 5" square box at 15 ft with a 12oclock hold, didn't have a group to speak of and didn't expect one either.
 
I tried this years ago. Didn't have much luck, primer blew the center of the wax bullet out of the case, and left the rest in the case. Left crap in the barrel and on the gun. Never tried again.
 
Umm, everyone, he was doing all this shooting at the range, wasn't he, 'cause we wouldn't want the OP talking about loading a firearm where it is not legal to shoot it, even if the projectile is wax. And as for causing a welt, well, we can all speculate, can't we. Personal experience would infer an ND.
 
Ok, got out to the range today and shot off the 50 I made, with somewhat mixed results. I jotted down some notes as I went along:
- I started at 25 yards, but they were falling short, hitting the ground just before the target boards. I was hitting the boards, but not the target, at 10 yards using a center hold. At 5 yards I was on paper mostly, but forget accuracy.
- under the roof when at the firing line, it was very quiet with the muffs on, but loud enough to make my ears ring a bit without them. Out from under the roof when I moved closer to the targets, it was no louder than a cap gun, although considerably smokier. Surprising how much smoke came from the primers.
- a handful of the wax bullets fell out of the cases when they were placed headstamp up in the bullet box. No big deal, I just pushed them back in and fired.
- about 25% of the primers backed out enough to initially jam the cylinder. A slight bit of force would free it up when it happened, but it got annoying.

In spite of all that, I enjoyed the experience. I knew it was only going to be a fun experiment, so I wasn't expecting much. The question now is, do I bother to re-drill the flash holes with a 1/8 bit and try again? I guess we'll see how cabin fever affects me next winter...
And I spent a while wandering the range in the sunshine, scrounging several hundred fresh new 9mm Win brass, and a handful of various .45 auto. I don't even own a 1911, but I just couldn't leave them lying there. And you never know...
All in all, a very nice couple of hours at the range, first time out this year.
 
Thanks for the report Steve, might have to go back to the drawing board myself now before I load anything up...........
I wonder if a different primer would have yielded different results........
 
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