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Can-down said:
I would not be shocked if the same investment group owns all, or almost all, of North American production..... there has been a pretty big push to monopolize over the last 10 years.... I recall a few years back the local paint store said that some company was buying all the different paint manufacturers.

Time for a go fund me,crowd sourced, start-up, non profit Co-Op ammo manufacturer in Canada.
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I like this. Would be nice even if a few of the bigger retailers teamed up. I'm sure there are huge costs to get into the manufacturing market but there is no shortage of demand for the product..
 
Suther said:
Nobody is saying inflation isn't caused by the government printing money. That's obvious. What we're saying is 5% or even 10% inflation doesn't account for a 100% increase in gas or a 500% increase in primer prices.

Yes, inflation is a real thing, and it's making everything cost more. But if you think inflation is the sole reason despite the fact that a crap ton of big corporations are reporting record profits then you're being myopic. Phenomenon are rarely caused by a single source.
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It's going to be easier for the great reset if everything is s h i t.

It sure looks like there are forces at play that want to crash the system.

A few more years and it will be " hands up, who wants the government to seize all real-estate from the wealthy land lords and re-distribute it to the "people"?
Democracy in Action.
 
Everything is being done to destroy this industry like so many others. Looks at all the food processing factories that just burnt up across the USA the past little while. Expect the jump in food prices and lack of availability real soon. It's going to get very very ugly.

Get your houses in order.
 
It sure would be nice to hear from ATRS and or other Canadian gun stores who would be willing to be transparent on what they are seeing. It doesn’t add up, yes guns have gone up, but somewhat in proportion to inflation and high demand…. Is there ever a justification for such drastic increase in prices for primers? Even if supply is awful, in the passed it never changed the price much, it just made people wait…. These prices set a precedent that will start a rapid decline in this sport….
 
Kyndrick said:
It sure would be nice to hear from ATRS and or other Canadian gun stores who would be willing to be transparent on what they are seeing. It doesn’t add up, yes guns have gone up, but somewhat in proportion to inflation and high demand…. Is there ever a justification for such drastic increase in prices for primers? Even if supply is awful, in the passed it never changed the price much, it just made people wait…. These prices set a precedent that will start a rapid decline in this sport….
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Someone in the supply chain sees the high demand and almost non-existent supply, and is jacking prices up to maximize their profit. Its basic supply and demand curves, the sort of thing they teach in ECON101. It would be nice if ATRS was able to identify where along the supply chain this drastic price increase is being tacked on, but its entirely possible they don't really know either.

As you can see by the responses in this thread, there are already people who are saying no at the current price. As price goes up, demand goes down. Once supply goes back up, prices will have to come down for demand to use up the supply. What price will they settle at when they do come back down is anyones guess though.
 
Suther said:
Someone in the supply chain sees the high demand and almost non-existent supply, and is jacking prices up to maximize their profit. Its basic supply and demand curves, the sort of thing they teach in ECON101. It would be nice if ATRS was able to identify where along the supply chain this drastic price increase is being tacked on, but its entirely possible they don't really know either.

As you can see by the responses in this thread, there are already people who are saying no at the current price. As price goes up, demand goes down. Once supply goes back up, prices will have to come down for demand to use up the supply. What price will they settle at when they do come back down is anyones guess though.
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Unlike Cabelas and the other big box stores who do their own direct procurement we are obliged to deal with Canadian distributors such as North Sylva, Big Rock etc, so are not privy to anything but dealer pricing. What we have seen is that components especially have risen in price at far higher rates than inflation. Kinda like fuel prices compared to food or clothing types of inflation.
Primers for example have increased in dealer cost by 300%, projectiles about 100% over what we paid last year. Powder I can't really comment on as we have not had powder come in from well over a year. The weird thing is Vitavhouri powders. These although still real hard to get do not seem to carry as inflated prices as say Hodgdons powder do. No clue why however.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Unlike Cabelas and the other big box stores who do their own direct procurement we are obliged to deal with Canadian distributors such as North Sylva, Big Rock etc, so are not privy to anything but dealer pricing. What we have seen is that components especially have risen in price at far higher rates than inflation. Kinda like fuel prices compared to food or clothing types of inflation.
Primers for example have increased in dealer cost by 300%, projectiles about 100% over what we paid last year. Powder I can't really comment on as we have not had powder come in from well over a year. The weird thing is Vitavhouri powders. These although still real hard to get do not seem to carry as inflated prices as say Hodgdons powder do. No clue why however.
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Thanks for chiming in.

I wonder if the fact that VV is European would have anything to do with it? Any chance you get components from any other European sources that you could compare to?
 
I'm going to sit on my nest-egg of powder, primers and projectiles. I might shoot a match now and then.

I'll stock-up on .22lr while the prices are still good here and there.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Unlike Cabelas and the other big box stores who do their own direct procurement we are obliged to deal with Canadian distributors such as North Sylva, Big Rock etc, so are not privy to anything but dealer pricing. What we have seen is that components especially have risen in price at far higher rates than inflation. Kinda like fuel prices compared to food or clothing types of inflation.
Primers for example have increased in dealer cost by 300%, projectiles about 100% over what we paid last year. Powder I can't really comment on as we have not had powder come in from well over a year. The weird thing is Vitavhouri powders. These although still real hard to get do not seem to carry as inflated prices as say Hodgdons powder do. No clue why however.
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Vitavhouri prices aren't governed by the USA Powder power house....one company pretty much controls all brands and prices for north america powders
 
Kyndrick said:
It sure would be nice to hear from ATRS and or other Canadian gun stores who would be willing to be transparent on what they are seeing. It doesn’t add up, yes guns have gone up, but somewhat in proportion to inflation and high demand…. Is there ever a justification for such drastic increase in prices for primers? Even if supply is awful, in the passed it never changed the price much, it just made people wait…. These prices set a precedent that will start a rapid decline in this sport….
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I believe some is being done at the storefront level. I just purchased IMR 4350 at a brick and mortar for $61 a pound. Most places are asking over $70 now. I will continue to deal with them! That said anything Hodgdon is going going for more, but there prices where still $10 to $12 less per pound than anyone else selling Hodgdon. Stock is very limited and sporadic though, like everywhere.
 
I am lucky (sort of) I bought about 5k in primers think it was under $50 per thousand about 2 1/2 years ago. In other news, I bought spark plugs for my car today (Ford Focus) taxes in they were $24.80 each. Yes, prices are going up - am going to make around 300 rounds of 223 that should last me a few years and likely ditch the gun range membership next year. I am going to use that $500 bucks elsewhere
 
I’ve stocked up on reloading components like many have but unfortunately stocked up stashes get used up and then do you wish you bought more at today’s ridiculous prices or the futures even more ridiculous price when you finally run out and have to buy more?
I don’t think the prices are gonna come down and we are all gonna get bent over eventually :(
 
A few weeks ago I wrote up some wanted adds and printed them out on plain white paper and posted them on all the cork boards throughout the community and surrounding area.
Wanted : Reloading equipment and supplies
I was surprised by how many contacts I have made locally that have unused items including components.
3 families so far that have the contents of entire reloading rooms boxed and stored , left by a deceased relative
I do live in a small interior BC town with a long history of hunting and shooting tradition so I figured there was bound to be people looking to offload unused or unwanted stuff.

getting creative is helping me find quite a bit of hard to find stuff at reasonable prices.
I can't imagine the frustration that all our dealers , including ATRS, are facing when it comes to sourcing inventory in these crazy times.

edit to add a question...... Why are VV powders in such short supply?
I have not seen a restock at any of my usual sources for almost a year now. Would love to get my hands on 2 or 3 KG of N165 and same for N560 , price depending of course. Last small jug of N165 I bought was priced at 61.99 in december. have not seen any since
 
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I feel for the competitive shooters who go through lots of rifle powder that's is either non exsistant or, stupidity over priced.
I Hunt and only recreationaly shoot now, and glad I switched over to lots of rifles that shoot pistol cartridges that only require 5 and 6 grains of powder, also bought all the pistol primers I could afford since they are available and still around $10, also Large pistol primers work just fine in non magnum rifle cartridges, also lots of rifle gallery loads, silhouette and cowboy action load data useing some pistol and shotgun powder in rifle cartridges, there are some safe creative ways to stretch your shooting components, also shoot alot of cheap 22rimfire, I am good for about three years, if things don't come back and at an acceptable price, I will sell all but my flintlock, 22 rim fire and shotgun.
 
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