Prohib to restricted? Possible and how?

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I searched for this and never really found a satisfactory answer.

Lets say I see a prohib pistol on the EE or maybe even at my local gun shop. I want it! Sigh, I only have my RPAL... no prohib license.

1. Can I get that gun re barreled as a restricted?

2. How would I do that?

3. How much does that typically cost?

My only guess is I would have to convince the seller to get it re barreled at their local gun shop, they would call the CFO and get it changed to restricted, and then sell it to me? That is my guess anyway.

Thanks in advance.
 
redshooter said:
Mr. Saturday Night Special...
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Lynyrd Skynyrd made it illegal? My guess is that type of ammo was popular in smaller, cheaper, concealable guns that were used in crime often? Thus banned?

Is re barreling something that is very expensive? $100? $200? $75?

I have a love affair with some of these prohibs... sigh... always want what I cant have I suppose.
 
K-Roc said:
Lynyrd Skynyrd made it illegal? My guess is that type of ammo was popular in smaller, cheaper, concealable guns that were used in crime often? Thus banned?
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Pretty much...

Just checked Numrich and they listed S&W Model 19 6" barrels for $175. Now add the gunsmiths take, and the cost to get it here, it won't be cheap. I'm sure you could find one easy enough on this side of the border though. It would be easy with a S&W, or Colt Revolver since most came with 5"-6" barrels, but you may as well just buy a 6" for the cost of getting it done. Of course some only come in the 12(6) flavor, it can be done and I'm sure someone who has will be along shortly.

What you really want to find is one of the 39/59 pistols that came with barrels just over prohib length, these can be re-classed if verified.
 
Ellwood Epps can redo a .32 as. 30 Reid and reclass to restricted. I know guys who have done Walther PP and PPK that way. Just don't butcher a piece of WW2 history!!

Cost about $375 IIRC. Search for threads on it...
 
It's only worth the trouble and expense if it is a gun not available in a restricted barrel length to begin with. Most of the 38's and .357's are available in numerous barrel lengths so why bother? Just buy one in the restricted barrel length and save the hassle. The ppk's and other guns like that, only come in prohib lengths, so you just have to decide how bad you want one. I don't have that problem since I have my 12/6:dancingbanana:. PPK's other than the bond factor are probably one of the most over rated guns out there, they tend to give a nasty hammer bite if you aren't careful
 
dogzilla said:
It's only worth the trouble and expense if it is a gun not available in a restricted barrel length to begin with. Most of the 38's and .357's are available in numerous barrel lengths so why bother? Just buy one in the restricted barrel length and save the hassle. The ppk's and other guns like that, only come in prohib lengths, so you just have to decide how bad you want one. I don't have that problem since I have my 12/6:dancingbanana:. PPK's other than the bond factor are probably one of the most over rated guns out there, they tend to give a nasty hammer bite if you aren't careful
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Yeah I hear you, and you are probably right... but the PPK and some of those pocket Beretta's just look so cool to me!

I find they are so overpriced with the restricted barrel added to it I have a hard time justifying it. It almost doubles the price of the pistol! I guess once I start doing that I am "collecting" and I always said I wouldn't do that haha.
 
Phat Eagle said:
Ellwood Epps can redo a .32 as. 30 Reid and reclass to restricted. I know guys who have done Walther PP and PPK that way. Just don't butcher a piece of WW2 history!!

Cost about $375 IIRC. Search for threads on it...
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I just did a S&W M39-2 and the barrel alone cost just over $400 shipped. Add a couple of hours at the smith's shop rate to that as well.
 
bearhunter said:
I just did a S&W M39-2 and the barrel alone cost just over $400 shipped. Add a couple of hours at the smith's shop rate to that as well.
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So it IS basically doubling the price often eh?

I am still confused how you go about that without your prohib license? Do you tell the seller or store to convert it for you and then buy it? So you pay the seller or store the money to convert first obviously?

I can see why the "rigamarole" and cost makes it not so attractive when you can just buy a 4.25" pistol for half the price... ah Canadian gun laws. I wonder if the barrel length thing has ever prevented one crime ever... my guess is no.
 
I've done it. I had an agreement with a gent who really wanted my mint S&W 59 (chromed). He paid for the gun and I shipped it to a gunsmith/verifier of his choice who held it while it went through the process. It stayed in my name until the reclassification was complete. He paid a premium for a 12(6) but ended up with a restricted Chrome Plated S&W 59. It worked out well for both of us, I was confident it would be re-classed, but there's no guarantee. He got the pistol cheaper than if it was restricted, but took the risk that the RCMP wouldn't agree to the reclassification.

As for barrel length and concealability (assuming was the motive), put a G-17 and my 4" Security Six side by side and tell me which would be easier to conceal. If it was based on any kind of well thought out plan it would have been based on overall size and weight.
 
^ yeah its pretty obvious that after you take the CFC and start buying and using a few firearms that not a heck of a lot of our firearms laws make a whole lot of sense. Of course, that hours is beat to death on a daily basis here, but it almost seems at every turn I discover another little law that makes no one safer and only prevents me from enjoying the hobby to its fullest degree...

Oh well... will likely stick to "regular" restricteds. Not sure I can justify the extra $300-$400 per pistol to make it restricted... maybe someday. Thanks for the info though!
 
If you have something specific in mind you might PM the member weimajack . He's sold off at least two revolvers that have been converted from 12-6 to restricted by having them bored and sleeved. I can't shoot magnum out of the one due to this but it gives me as short a revolver as I can own in Canada as I'm in the same boat as you are.

Cost was comparable to a stock used 6" gun.

The only question would be if this was done by him or if someone else footed the higher cost and it was being sold (estate auction or some other source) at a price that weimajack felt the market would bare. That I don't know.

So if you're keen on such a thing I'd find a local gunsmith and talk with them about it. Cost is going to vary wildly based on which gun you want to convert. But it WILL end up costing you more than usual. So it really should be something you lust after deeply.

Me? My "grail gun" is a Walther PPK. Just love the look and feel in the hand. But I did up a crude artwork one day and a PPK with a Canadian legal barrel poking out the slide was just too ugly for words. So much for that.
 
^ Thanks for the info!

I also dig the Walther PPK, must be all those WWII lectures... I even bough the C02 version years ago but it was pretty horrible!

I have seen some pics of it with the Canadian barrel, its not so bad, not great, but I think I could live with it lol.
 
I just went through this process, bought a 12-6 class Walther PP in 380ACP, had it shipped to Ellwood Epps. They took a fairly long time rebarrelling it, mind you they did a beautiful job. Then they re-classify it and finally transfer it into your name and send it to you. The rebarrelling cost about 300$ but am sure that all depends on the firearm and availability of new longer barrels.
To answer your original post my full process was :
1) buy the prohibited firearm at LGS (pay the full price)
2) They ship it to the gunsmith
3) the gunsmith rebarrels/converts firearm to restricted class
4) gunsmith has verification done by approved verifier (barrel length/caliber etc)
5) you pay the gunsmith his dues before transfer is initiated
6) transfer into your name done by gunsmith
finally happy days arrive and you get your hands on your possession.

Hope that helps.
 
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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone above for helping me clear that up!

There is 1 gunsmith in Ottawa haha... I have actually never been so I might be going there to talk about it.

Cheers!
 
K-Roc said:
.....Walther PPK.......I have seen some pics of it with the Canadian barrel, its not so bad, not great, but I think I could live with it lol.
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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But to me it looked like Pinocchio's nose after a long police interrogation where they were not able to break him..... :d

dogzilla said:
Also some guns are more complicated to re barrel than others
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Very much so. That's why I'm thinking that if there's some sort of particular shining example which is a must have it's good to talk with a gunsmith about the conversion both in terms of practicality, safety and cost before proceeding.
 
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