Project guns - Savage Pump and Rem single shot!! update 4/4/10!
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Thanks for the great advice folks. I'll start making the first cuts this weekend!
Looking at my pictures, can anyone tell me what finish these guns have? I'm pretty sure I'll be parkerizing both of them but do i need to just sandblast or steel wool them or do I have to do somehting more? thanks!!
Looking at my pictures, can anyone tell me what finish these guns have? I'm pretty sure I'll be parkerizing both of them but do i need to just sandblast or steel wool them or do I have to do somehting more? thanks!!
I was just thinking the same thing, kinda sad really. It's not unlike the enfields that were buba'd a few generations ago.
if you own some orginals, hang on to them then! might be worth double soon!
edit: as i make plans to hack mine down!
elimsprint
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Kelowna, BC
Old bluing/old varnish. Sand blast is the best for paint or parkerizing, nothing better. Steel wool maybe for paint but not parkerizing. Remember to degrease again right before any coating is done. If parkerizing degrease again. I am a fan of Armacoat myself but to each their own. I was lucky as I already had the compressor and paint gun/airbrush. You can blast the wood also at about 60-80psi, works great. On the pump gun I would not make a pistol grip but just shorten the stock 2-3" and cut the barrel right on 18.5". Again, just my opinion.
Kim
Kim
- Location
- SW Ontario
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That's hilarious!! Excellent thread folks. I have an old Savage 77a pump for sale, but it might get turned into a HD project and this info is great.
That's hilarious!! Excellent thread folks. I have an old Savage 77a pump for sale, but it might get turned into a HD project and this info is great.
The Armacoat site is under maintenance right now so I cant really get a lot of info out of it.. Looks really cool though! Is it hard to put on? Abuddy of mine has an airbrush kit so i could use that.
Perkerizing seems pretty straightforward.
For cutting the barrel the filing you'll do is the most important part. The cutting off can be done with any old hacksaw blade since you'll file the raggedness away.
The key to a good filing job is the correct and SHARP file. Too many folks think a file is like a piece of sandpaper. But they are actually precision cutting tools that will make your work look great and assist you in doing a good job.... or if dull and worn will be a source of major frustration and poor work. If in doubt go buy a new file and treat it right from now on. Don't let files rub against each other any more than you'd let your guns or good chef's knives rub against each other.
Tricks like a hose clamp or wraping with tape or anything else you can come up with to assist with getting the end nice and square to the bore will be a good thing. And remember that barrels are often tapered on the outside so you won't be able to use a square to make the end true to shape. But then again it's a shortened cylinder choke shotgun and not a precision long range rifle. So a little bit of inaccuracy in the muzzle crown in this case certainly isn't the end of the world.
For shortening the stock to a pistol grip gamer has the right idea. But unfortunetly he was limited by the design of his stock attachment rod. It would be nice if some manner of modifying the stock and remounting the pistol grip could allow for more of a full on flintlock stlye pistol grip instead of the square'ish butt end that Gamer was limited to using. I'd imagine that screw head could be very hard on the hand.
Gamer, is there any way you could remove more of that rod and cut for a axis from more of an angle from below? If you could then you could make up a whole new grip from new wood and get much more of a better shape. It would mean a bit more wood working or plugging the hole you have and coming up with a way to drill for a new hole but the end results could be a lot more friendly to your palm.
The key to a good filing job is the correct and SHARP file. Too many folks think a file is like a piece of sandpaper. But they are actually precision cutting tools that will make your work look great and assist you in doing a good job.... or if dull and worn will be a source of major frustration and poor work. If in doubt go buy a new file and treat it right from now on. Don't let files rub against each other any more than you'd let your guns or good chef's knives rub against each other.
Tricks like a hose clamp or wraping with tape or anything else you can come up with to assist with getting the end nice and square to the bore will be a good thing. And remember that barrels are often tapered on the outside so you won't be able to use a square to make the end true to shape. But then again it's a shortened cylinder choke shotgun and not a precision long range rifle. So a little bit of inaccuracy in the muzzle crown in this case certainly isn't the end of the world.
For shortening the stock to a pistol grip gamer has the right idea. But unfortunetly he was limited by the design of his stock attachment rod. It would be nice if some manner of modifying the stock and remounting the pistol grip could allow for more of a full on flintlock stlye pistol grip instead of the square'ish butt end that Gamer was limited to using. I'd imagine that screw head could be very hard on the hand.
Gamer, is there any way you could remove more of that rod and cut for a axis from more of an angle from below? If you could then you could make up a whole new grip from new wood and get much more of a better shape. It would mean a bit more wood working or plugging the hole you have and coming up with a way to drill for a new hole but the end results could be a lot more friendly to your palm.
From what little I've seen at the gun shows there seems to be no lack of rusty old donor shotguns that weren't anything collectable or all that great even when new.
Went to the Canadian Tire yesterday and bought:
- hacksaw
- metal file
- wood file
- sand paper
- steel brush ( i figured i'd see how the rust comes off with that)
- WD-40
- the only box of 16ga shells they had
- wood finish + brush
Starting tomorrow morning with the single shot and hopefully get both the single shot and the pump ready for steel treatment this weekend!!
Will post pitctures as i go, wish me luck!
- hacksaw
- metal file
- wood file
- sand paper
- steel brush ( i figured i'd see how the rust comes off with that)
- WD-40
- the only box of 16ga shells they had
- wood finish + brush
Starting tomorrow morning with the single shot and hopefully get both the single shot and the pump ready for steel treatment this weekend!!
Will post pitctures as i go, wish me luck!
Cut the 16 ga down!
OK so this morning at 0900 i started the first of the two projects! I am very happy with the results up to now!!
First I sawed off the stock:
After that i taped up the stock to get an idea how i wanted the pistol grip to look:
some filing and more sawing:
OOPS! oh well, nothing a little crasy glue cant fix:
Of course the bolt doesnt fit anymore:
I love this gun! Its almost like they anticipated the stock being cut some day The only thing i had to do was drill out the hole about half an inch:
result:
i "sandpapered" the grip somewhere in the process
Now for the barrel. I measured, the overall lenth and it bacame clear that the overall length was going to be the limiting factor. I measured 26.5 inches and a little bit and put some tape on the barrel to mark out the cut.
hacksaw
result:
Overall result:
Length of the gun: little over 26.5 inches
Length of the barrel: 19.5 inches
I am going to shoot it now before i finish the wood and the steel!!
And probably start on the pump later today!! (i'm loving this!)
Can't deny that i am a little proud of myself!
OK so this morning at 0900 i started the first of the two projects! I am very happy with the results up to now!!
First I sawed off the stock:
After that i taped up the stock to get an idea how i wanted the pistol grip to look:
some filing and more sawing:
OOPS! oh well, nothing a little crasy glue cant fix:
Of course the bolt doesnt fit anymore:
I love this gun! Its almost like they anticipated the stock being cut some day
The only thing i had to do was drill out the hole about half an inch:
result:
i "sandpapered" the grip somewhere in the process
Now for the barrel. I measured, the overall lenth and it bacame clear that the overall length was going to be the limiting factor. I measured 26.5 inches and a little bit and put some tape on the barrel to mark out the cut.
hacksaw
result:
Overall result:
Length of the gun: little over 26.5 inches
Length of the barrel: 19.5 inches
I am going to shoot it now before i finish the wood and the steel!!
And probably start on the pump later today!! (i'm loving this!)
Can't deny that i am a little proud of myself!
elimsprint
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Kelowna, BC
SWEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!
Kim
Kim
Lookin' Good!
Let him out man!
The recoil wasnt that bad, it was definatly there but not bad. I must admit that i was shooting size 6 shot (the only 16ga ammo i could find in Fort McMisery). I'll be shooting slugs once i find them
The only problem was that hole for the bolt, its really sharp and that bit me OUCH! I am going to patch that up with plastic wood once the metal and wood is finished..
It is an awesome zombie killer!
- Location
- Squamish, BC
Nice work, feels good to have the hacksaw blade melt through the barrel doesn't it? Liberating. Enjoy your gun, looking forward to more finished pics and the pump as well. Did you file/sand down the muzzle after the cut? I'd be keen to see a close-up of the finished muzzle too...
I used one of those round stone tool sharpeners for the rough work and then a file for the fine tuning. Worked pretty well!
Sawed off the pump!!
OK time for the second one!
This is a Canadian Sportsman model 269 Series E 12 GA 3"
Same deal as with the 16 ga. I started with sawing off the stock. With this gun i guess the bolt issue isnt so straight forward. The bolt is way too long. I am going to have to find a different bolt!
Some sawing,cutting and filing later:
I sanded the sh*t out of it
Kind of looks neat like this!
Time for the barrel. Keeping the overall length at 26" would make the barrel too short so i had to measure the barrel to 18" + 0.5" safety margin. Method i used: Close the action and stick a rod in the barrel and mark it off with a piece of tape.
Measure 18.5" off on the rod and mark that with a piece of tape too. line up the first marking with the end of the barrel and mark the barrel at the second piece of tape.
Ready to cut!
Kind off screwed it up, lots of filing lies ahead
I used this tool scharperner for the rough work
Done! Seems like one side of the barrel is thicker than the other.. strange
And here they are!! All ready for wood and metal finishing!
OK time for the second one!
This is a Canadian Sportsman model 269 Series E 12 GA 3"
Same deal as with the 16 ga. I started with sawing off the stock. With this gun i guess the bolt issue isnt so straight forward. The bolt is way too long. I am going to have to find a different bolt!
Some sawing,cutting and filing later:
I sanded the sh*t out of it
Kind of looks neat like this!
Time for the barrel. Keeping the overall length at 26" would make the barrel too short so i had to measure the barrel to 18" + 0.5" safety margin. Method i used: Close the action and stick a rod in the barrel and mark it off with a piece of tape.
Measure 18.5" off on the rod and mark that with a piece of tape too. line up the first marking with the end of the barrel and mark the barrel at the second piece of tape.
Ready to cut!
Kind off screwed it up, lots of filing lies ahead
I used this tool scharperner for the rough work
Done! Seems like one side of the barrel is thicker than the other.. strange
And here they are!! All ready for wood and metal finishing!
Turkeyslayer 1300
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Russell, Ontario
Watch out that weasel is eyeing the hardware
. Nice project, I will be interested to hear your range report.
These little projects sure are a lot of fun. I have done this with several different models now. They are a blast to shoot! It's hard to hit clays with the single shot pistol grip, but it is possible. I just put the bird towards the end of the thrower so they are a bit slower and seem to hit most of them. Check out the Cooey 64 thread I started. There are a couple videos of me shooting it.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412771
Cheers!
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412771
Cheers!
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