Promag Archangle 10/22 kit, Timney trigger group, and update on other goodies

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Update on these items that I have been getting PM's on. If the mods have concerns about these info threads, please let me know. Just trying to get out market info based on questions I receive.

TIMNEY TRIGGER GROUP:

Still no word on the Timney 10/22 trigger group. My dist has zero feedback from timney on this item which is strange given the fanfare at SHOT. If anyone sees these instock (lots advertise) at a US mail order website, please let me know cause it sounds like the product doesn't even exist anymore.

I can only hope that the US silliness just has Timney so far behind, new products have been shelved for the short term.

PROMAG ARCHANGLE KITS:

Promag Archangle 10/22 delux kits are now available in limited supply. I will bring one up on my upcoming shipment to give it a review and testing. If anyone else would like a kit, please PM me for pricing details. Will offer a 'BETA' discount - FREE SHIPPING.

They look great in pics and promag tends to offer really well made items - mags, bases, rails, rings. But......

10/22 HICAP MAGS:

Tactical Innovation mags continue to be unobtanium. They are so behind on US orders there is simply no interest in doing anything else. Plus I think many smaller operators are waiting to see if the Dems drop any bombshells on export of 'nasty' items.

On a limited basis, I am getting Butler Creek Steel lips, Promag 32rds w/ steel lips and their 50rds drums. At this time, the only restriction is supply. I have a few unsold items on my shipment arriving in a couple of weeks for those interested. PM only as I will not answer sales questions here - not allowed me thinks.

The promag drums have been improved and loading is WAAAAAYYYY easier. The material used is tough fiber reinforced injection plastic (same as the polymer TI mags). This is not the simple injection plastic common to all the banana mags. They look like you could put a truck on them. There is a whack out there now so look forward to hearing some feedback on how they are working.

For the near term, the supply of mags seems positive but I will only bring in products based on your requests so if you want some, please let me know by PM. Also, on pricing, my goal is to offer products as inexpensively as possible. If you see similar items offered for much less, please let me know. Competition is the only leverage I have with my dist. They are certainly not shy about asking for an inflated price in this market.

Please don't use a US based store for pricing reference. I face a different price point and the costs of importation. Also, saying some store will sell the Canada without hassle would be against forum rules as mags are most certainly a controlled product.

CANADIAN MAG PRODUCT:

There is a chance that I will be working with a CANADIAN machine shop to produce an alloy mag for the 10/22. We are only at the give me a call to talk about it stage so please no PM's asking for delivery dates, pricing, etc. I simply have no info.

BUT the interest is there and I will be working towards seeing if something like this is possible. to say there are alot of hurdles is an understatement. If TI can't sell to us, maybe we can make something similar domestically.

10/22 CHASSIS and Barrels:

With the concept of making mags, we are also thinking about stocks, barrels and chassis. Examples like the Krinker'ish or other look like something chassis, short barrels, muzzle toys, etc are being discussed.

Suggestions and thoughts would be appreciated. There is so much else outthere to dream up and enjoy.

From a production standpoint, our biggest hurdle is to see if small volume production at a decent cost makes sense economically.

I continue to look for new and promising products to offer. IF you see stuff that has appeal, I would be happy to hear about it and maybe offer for sale. Big hassle to set up anything with a US manf today so one offs, simply don't make economic sense.

But you just never know....

Jerry
 
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I would love a review on the "new" promag drums. I was stoked to buy one until I saw the reviews on Midway and such. I have never seen a product bashed so much.
 
I would love a review on the "new" promag drums. I was stoked to buy one until I saw the reviews on Midway and such. I have never seen a product bashed so much.

I'll review mine after this weekend. Two weeks of looking at it, no shootie.:(

I agree with mysticplayer- It does look rugged, but I will not be running one over for my review.;)
 
B, we will get some feedback from shooters in short order. The drum fits in my 10/22 with a very solid lock up. I think alot of feeding complaints revolves around the mag casting. Same problem occurs with the BC steel lips. Sometimes there is a burr that keeps the cases from lifting up smoothly causing all manner of problems. A bit of smoothing and all good. Of course, keeping this area clean doesn't hurt either.

They also need a bit of break in so that the springs and followers wear in. When I tested the Promag 32rds, it took a few mags to get things running smoothly and now it runs superbly in mine and several other 10/22's that I was able to test in.

For ammo, Fed bulk stuff that used to be sold at wallyland and cdn tire, was the best running. Win Dynapoint and 333 work great (I prefer the 333). The exposed lead tip/non copper plated win runs horridly in all my mags BUT Blaser runs great waxy lube and all.

So much depends on the ammo vs the barrel length used. Some ammo is on the milder scale and with short barrels we all love, feeding/function is problematic. The softness of the bullet also causes feeding issues as it drives into the mag ramp and 10/22 action. You need a hard bullet or a plated one.

So not all feeding mishaps are the fault of the mag.

Look forward to more comments and ideas...

Jerry
 
Most small internal parts also require a fair amount of heat treating or special tool steel manf. It might be something to look at but with the number of companies offering this stuff (maybe not so much in Canada), I just don't see a viable market place.

For chassis, we will debate cost of manf vs cost of sale. It might be possible to make anything for $1000 but I doubt we will sell very many :)

Milling a straight mag has an interesting twist. Will still have to be curved inside due to the case rim. Would be pay $100 to $125 for a mag?

Jerry
 
Most small internal parts also require a fair amount of heat treating or special tool steel manf. It might be something to look at but with the number of companies offering this stuff (maybe not so much in Canada), I just don't see a viable market place.

I'm sure your aware that I wasn't asking you to make the parts.....just asking about supplying them.

I'd give my money to a Canadian supply over any other - any day. I like the thought that it doesn't have to pass between a boarder and customs.

My personal opinion is that by the time you source materials, define design, prototype, beta test, mass produce & market etc., this dilemma may be long over....:rolleyes:

Reach for what is obtainable and let yourself be known....then shoot for the rainbows ;)

Good luck
 
I got my drum here. Cant wait to try it out! Thanks Mystic Precision!

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Ran a couple of hundred rounds through my new drum, and am mostly satisfied with it. Loading is fairly simple with a bit of practice, though the spring is strong enough that my hand is somewhat fatigued by the time it's full.

It is quite a loose fit in the magwell, and can wiggle/wobble around quite a bit. When firing I had a fair number of failures to feed (bullet nose jammed against the bottom of the chamber) to begin with, but found if I supported the rifle by the drum so the front was angled up a bit it would work 100%.

Next time I go out I'll set up the camera and get some video of both the loading process and how it works when shooting, as that would be much better than trying to describe it. :)
 
Yes the Promag drum is good for shiets and giggles. It does look VERY cool.
Haven't tired it but it loads up OK with a little practice.

*WARNING shameless plug and partial hijack sorry* ;) :D:runaway:
Just got my Promag and it'll be up on the EE pretty soon. Decided I want to go a different route and build an F-Class rifle.
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Baby Seal, that looks great on your Krinker. Love to hear how it shoot for you.

FH, that is typical with Rugers over the years. They have changed the mag well dimensions every so slightly. My drum fits tight like a glove and I have heard others say the same thing. Also, other mags that fit well in my 10/22 don't in anothers (bit of wiggle).

You might want to consider bedding the top of the mag. That should make it a much tighter fit in your action. My guess it has to do with the mag latch pin size/location vs your mag release opening.

I am glad that it does run once you hold it in place.

Love the pics guys, let's get more shooting feedback.

Jerry
 
I'd give my money to a Canadian supply over any other - any day. I like the thought that it doesn't have to pass between a boarder and customs.

X2.........


Jerry do you have a price list on your 10/22 parts?
 
Don't have a large selection so send me PM and let me know what you are looking for.

My focus is limited to mags, barrels, stocks (synthetic) and scope mounts. Timney triggers someday. Otherwise, that's it for now.

I am excited to receive an Archangle kit early May and see how it works.

Will definitely post a report.

We are a very long ways off making any chassis but the talks are positive to at least review the potential.
Jerry
 
Promag Archangle kit is confirmed on its way and should be here next week. The parts kits looks great with some accessories I wasn't even aware of. Should be a robust polymer too.

There will also be a basic kit without these accessories which I think is likely alot more popular and quite a bit cheaper.

Well, I got a chance to talk to Timney to ask about the 10/22 trigger group. They suggested that their first run will complete production around June. Then they must be tested, packaged and shipped to dist. SWAG mid June before they are saleable.

I have contacted my dist to see if they are line to get some. If you have an interest, in this trigger group, please PM me.

I have no pricing or actual availability at this time. I am just being proactive with my dist by giving them a ballpark interest. Pretty sure that the demand will be huge in the US and it could be another 6 months before the second run gets made so I am willing to book a block of triggers if there is interest.

Jerry
 
Was out plinking this morning when I remembered that I was going to shoot a bit of video, so here's the last part of the mag (~20 rounds). Prior to this I had two failure to feed, with the nose of the bullet hitting below the feed ramp.

 
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