Province proposing changes to moose hunt

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Province proposing changes to moose hunt
Proposed changes include a point system for the allocation of moose tags in the province.
a day ago by: Doug Diaczuk

THUNDER BAY - The Ontario government is looking for feedback from hunters and the public on proposed changes to how the moose population is managed in the province.
The new proposals, which were developed last spring with recommendations by the Big Game Management Advisory Committee, are now open to public feedback on the Environmental Registry of Ontario.
Some of the new proposals for 2020 include interim calf quotas in wildlife management units in Northeastern and Southern Ontario, as well as creating early bow-specific seasons and quotas with an open moose hunting season where they don’t currently exist.
This will include creating separate tag quotas for bow and gun tags in Northeastern wildlife management units.

Proposals for 2021 include modernizing the province’s selective harvest approach to improve quota by moving to selective harvest by bull tags/cow/calf tags, and calf tags.
The moose hunting license will also no longer come with a tag in order to allow applicants who were unsuccessful or did not apply for a tag to party hunt on another individual’s tag.
The moose tag draw would also be replaced with a new point system, where hunters will apply for the moose tag allocation process with a fee. The group application component would also be eliminated and each hunter would apply for a tag allocation by themselves.

Hunters will be allocated tags based on the number of preference point a hunter has accumulated. Points can be received each year a hunter has applied and been unsuccessful, a hunter’s draw history would be used to determine how many points they have, the northern resident draw would be eliminated.
Hunters with the most points will receive the available tags for the wildlife management units and once a hunter receives a tag, all points will be forfeited. Hunters do have the choice to not claim a tag if they have been allocated and keep their points.
This will be a two-stage process, including a primary allocation and a second change allocation.
"We are listening to moose hunters across the province, and our proposal is designed to work for the hunting community," said Minister of Natural Resources and Forestry John Yakabuski in a release. "I encourage Ontario's hunters to review the proposal and consider its implications on moose populations and future hunting opportunities. I would like to thank BGMAC and the committee's Chair, John Kaplanis, for their dedication and insight on strengthening moose management in Ontario."
Feedback on the proposals is being accepted until Sept. 26, 2019.
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Not for me . This was the first time in 40 years i didn't buy a tag and never will again . This would have been my 5th year without an adult tag . No more financing the gov't only to get nothing in return . If i could apply and get drawn for a tag i'd be willing to pay twice as much for a tag as we do now but just to keep on shoveling them money up front , no more from me so it's deer and bears . The new points system sounds a lot like the old system . Pay for years until you acquire the points for an adult tag once and then continue after that for years more paying but getting nothing in return until you build your points back up .
 
boxhitch said:
Priority points system..........sux to be you guys
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Priority points system is a lot better than what we have now. Pay $60 knowing full well your only paying to stay in the draw or get a calf tag. You will only have to pay a nominal fee each year to stay in the draw, not pay the whole price only to get a calf tag. The only guys that won't see this as an improvement are the ones who have 10 ghost hunters apply with their group each year to guarantee a tag with no intention of hunting which they will also eliminate. The only part I read that I don't like is that maybe they should cut out the calf hunt all together for a while
 
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Jaaska said:
Not for me . This was the first time in 40 years i didn't buy a tag and never will again . This would have been my 5th year without an adult tag . No more financing the gov't only to get nothing in return . If i could apply and get drawn for a tag i'd be willing to pay twice as much for a tag as we do now but just to keep on shoveling them money up front , no more from me so it's deer and bears . The new points system sounds a lot like the old system . Pay for years until you acquire the points for an adult tag once and then continue after that for years more paying but getting nothing in return until you build your points back up .
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Except you would be paying $10 instead of $50 each year and the guy who is only in for 2 years does not get a tag before you who has been paying in for 15 year.

If this system actually goes through I think I will start putting in for it. If I can get a bull tag then I would hunt moose in Ontario, I refuse to support a system where calves have an unlimited harvest, it is stupid.
 
boxhitch said:
Priority points system..........sux to be you guys
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No kidding eh? The only people who want a priority system are people who haven't thought long term.


Why?

Let's say you have a max 10 priority points.

After 10 years, let's say, for ease of numbers, that 100 guys have max points. Those 100 guys have a better chance than everyone else.
But year 11...there are 2 years worth of guys with max points. Your max points odds get worse.
12 years, even worse.
And so on.

Priority points are a short term solution to the "unfairness" of a lottery. Once max points are achieved, all it does is discourage new hunters.
 
Squamch said:
No kidding eh? The only people who want a priority system are people who haven't thought long term.


Why?

Let's say you have a max 10 priority points.

After 10 years, let's say, for ease of numbers, that 100 guys have max points. Those 100 guys have a better chance than everyone else.
But year 11...there are 2 years worth of guys with max points. Your max points odds get worse.
12 years, even worse.
And so on.

Priority points are a short term solution to the "unfairness" of a lottery. Once max points are achieved, all it does is discourage new hunters.
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Once you win the lottery then you would start out with 0 points and have to start over.

How is the points system worse than a group system where 12 hunters apply for 2-3 people to actually hunt?

How is the points system worse than having it totally random so you could apply from the age of 15 until 100 and never get a tag?
 
Squamch said:
No kidding eh? The only people who want a priority system are people who haven't thought long term.


Why?

Let's say you have a max 10 priority points.

After 10 years, let's say, for ease of numbers, that 100 guys have max points. Those 100 guys have a better chance than everyone else.
But year 11...there are 2 years worth of guys with max points. Your max points odds get worse.
12 years, even worse.
And so on.

Priority points are a short term solution to the "unfairness" of a lottery. Once max points are achieved, all it does is discourage new hunters.
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Who says there has to be a max points number? The guys with the highest # of points built up get the tags first. Then the guys a year or 2 behind you stay behind you.
 
cantgetright said:
Who says there has to be a max points number? The guys with the highest # of points built up get the tags first. Then the guys a year or 2 behind you stay behind you.
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It says that when you buy a tag your points go to zero, so someone who has 80 points will fall to the level of the new hunter, no max number, not taking 10 points off, just that the highest gets first shot at it and then it goes down from there.

It seems like a great way to me, you pay in for 5 years you have 5 points. Update that chart for group size to be minimum points per tag for each WMU.
 
Fox said:
It says that when you buy a tag your points go to zero, so someone who has 80 points will fall to the level of the new hunter, no max number, not taking 10 points off, just that the highest gets first shot at it and then it goes down from there.

It seems like a great way to me, you pay in for 5 years you have 5 points. Update that chart for group size to be minimum points per tag for each WMU.
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They are eliminating the group draw, each individual applies on their own.
 
Squamch said:
No kidding eh? The only people who want a priority system are people who haven't thought long term.


Why?

Let's say you have a max 10 priority points.

After 10 years, let's say, for ease of numbers, that 100 guys have max points. Those 100 guys have a better chance than everyone else.
But year 11...there are 2 years worth of guys with max points. Your max points odds get worse.
12 years, even worse.
And so on.

Priority points are a short term solution to the "unfairness" of a lottery. Once max points are achieved, all it does is discourage new hunters.
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Alternatively, there is no max, and point creep means unless you get in at the get-go, you can kiss your chances of ever drawing goodbye.

5 years from now, new hunters are going to be absolutely screwed. Guess I should scratch Ontario off the list of places to look for a new job when the time comes...
 
billbmcleod said:
If I was 25 years old then this point system may be OK but at 71 I suspect this may be my last Hunt if we changed the system. As it is our party has had to keep growing as the guaranteed group size goes through the roof.
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And the bigger the party, the higher the odds of 2 guys shooting at moose at the same time. You then have the choice of turning yourself in, and getting basically the same fine as the guy who does it on purpose, or walking away, leaving it to rot. I haven't hunted moose in 21 years. Deer is fine for me - and a lot easier to pack and butcher.::)
 
Suther said:
Alternatively, there is no max, and point creep means unless you get in at the get-go, you can kiss your chances of ever drawing goodbye.

5 years from now, new hunters are going to be absolutely screwed. Guess I should scratch Ontario off the list of places to look for a new job when the time comes...
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You dont want to live in onterrible anyway.
 
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