Provincials Primer match june 5th
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So how does this policy fly with IPSC Ont match policy?
Any one that runs a match can dictate who gets to sign up first? Why didn't they just say that Barrie members can sign up now - everyone else can wait.
It doesn't seem to do anything that wasn't done prior to Damians website.
I don't know a match director out there that doesn't set aside slots for the folks working the match.
Unfortunately, this is how they are operating the matches @ Barrie.
Your money to pay for the match is not good enough anymore. I don't like this new trend and all this is doing is driving people away from IPSC.
This is my opinion and nothing more.
I think asking for help may go a lot further. (Must come with perks!)
I understand that running the matches is a thankless job and a lot of work goes in it with little or no help. Trying to force people to help in this matter may be driving people away. Complaining about it and making people pay and work is not going to make this sport grow. Again, my opinion If you want to do small little matches and not promote this type of shooting sport then following this mandate will achieve your goal. To be a little fair, Barrie is doing the Provincials and they maybe concentrating on that.
I wonder why every year we get the same results of about 1000 members in Ontario. With all the Black Badge courses going on the last few years, we should be moving towards 2000 members and growing but we are turning people off faster than bringing them in and staying. I think that if IPSC is going to grow in the future, we may need to change our attitudes towards the shooters and try to promote this sport in a more positive way. Promotion is the key here. I think one of the few people who get this is Storm and his crew. It is a pleasure to shoot his matches and there is always a lot of info and promotion for his matches.
Sorry for the hijack but I needed to get my opinion out there for some reason. My Therapist is insisting that I do this for the good of my mental health. .
John Esposito.
Your money to pay for the match is not good enough anymore. I don't like this new trend and all this is doing is driving people away from IPSC.
This is my opinion and nothing more.
I think asking for help may go a lot further. (Must come with perks!)I understand that running the matches is a thankless job and a lot of work goes in it with little or no help. Trying to force people to help in this matter may be driving people away. Complaining about it and making people pay and work is not going to make this sport grow. Again, my opinion If you want to do small little matches and not promote this type of shooting sport then following this mandate will achieve your goal. To be a little fair, Barrie is doing the Provincials and they maybe concentrating on that.
I wonder why every year we get the same results of about 1000 members in Ontario. With all the Black Badge courses going on the last few years, we should be moving towards 2000 members and growing but we are turning people off faster than bringing them in and staying. I think that if IPSC is going to grow in the future, we may need to change our attitudes towards the shooters and try to promote this sport in a more positive way. Promotion is the key here. I think one of the few people who get this is Storm and his crew. It is a pleasure to shoot his matches and there is always a lot of info and promotion for his matches.
Sorry for the hijack but I needed to get my opinion out there for some reason. My Therapist is insisting that I do this for the good of my mental health. .
John Esposito.
Barrie is promoting shooters to get more involved with IPSC. Shoot, work, meet more of the 1000 members in Ontario. Nobody has been turn away from any of the Barrie matches, we even open extra squads when the match starts to fill up. Your more than welcome to your opinion John but this is not the end of IPSC! We just need to be sure that the workers we need to run the match can get a spot to shoot.
To be frank, the numbers are what they always have been. I've been in this sport for 19 years and we've always been around the same number, good times, bad times, politics, no politics, lots of Level III's or no Level III's its always been around the same number. If everyone thinks back to their BB course and first match, how many of you saw the guys and or gals from your course at a second match? Most take the BB course, do their qualifier match then disappear. Maybe they just want to shoot out of a holster at their own club, maybe they decided it wasn't their cup of tea. We probably put 200 shooters through the BB course a year and I'd be surprised if we keep 10% of those. Add in 10% attrition for others that leave the sport for one reason or another after a few years and we pretty much float at 1000 members, always have, probably always will.
well barrie is lucky to have a few ranges that can add more squads and still finish at a good time. But what happen with a club with one range if they start to add on more squds then you will be shooting into the night.
Who is saying IPSC is coming to an end?
It's funny you should think that I think IPSC is going to die.
All I am saying, my opinion I do not like this trend of help=more rights than members who do not help. This thing of making sure people who help get to shoot is just, well wrong.
Do you really believe that people who help would not be able to shoot? Do you think the membership in IPSC believes this a valid reason for taking on this type of policy? Why not then have a match for only people who help then?
Also, as you can see I am helping at this match of yours so that I may shoot.
Even though I do not like this new policy, I am complying.
I am John, not Frank.
This is the problem. For 19 years we have not improved and it looks like this may be okay with some people. This opinion of mine is not directed as an attack but as a question. What are we going to do about it?Any ideas, I have a few but can we come up with some ideas that may change the results or is this membership happy with the same results year in year out?
I think we can do better!
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Several times in the past I have ran matches and not been able to shoot due to lack of help.
Trust me when I say it does not prompt one to work harder.
We had about 700 members in 2005...the numbers are increasing year over year. The only time they were ever significantly higher than now was just after the mag limits came into effect and there was a rumour that IPSC members would be exempt. Several people joined and artificially inflated the numbers for a year or two...
This thing of making sure people who help get to shoot is just, well wrong.
Yeah, why should someone who takes a Friday off to build the match and Saturday to RO, get to shoot the match. These people who are putting matches on are just getting way too demanding.
Rob, I think you are being ridiculous. You know that you as a match director will make sure that that person shoots. You don't have to punish the shooter that pays to play. It's a L1 after all. Are you telling me you can't manage? or don't want to manage?
