Provincials Primer match june 5th

DVC1911 said:
I think Ontario is the only section that does not have a mandatory work requirement in place for there events.
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US is another "section" that does not have mandatory work requirement.
I attended a few matches there (and planning to attend more) and was not obliged to work in any of them.

Many match organizers do manage to get required help without adding mandatory work slot, and I hope they continue to do so.
I try to help on local matches when I can, but when I travel for hundred or thousand miles - I'd rather only shoot, even if this would cost me more.
 
Jesus, I dont log into CGN for a while and things are a soap opera... There is a new Ontario forum, please ask Storm for access to it so this club level B.S. is not aired for all the IDPA people to read about. I agreed to help with this match because it appeared to be a challenge and I was hoping to bring the Cliques together...Barrie is a great club, and as they say United we stand divided we fall. I'd like nothing better than to see everyone come together and R.O. and get along.

So please, if for no other reason than to piss each other off, come out make silly faces at each other, (maybe farting noises?) JUST help.

Food for the R.O.'s is on me. Now kindly S.T.F.U...and contact Storm for access to the private Ontario forum.

Quigley said:
On another note...I've taken on a new infromal project for IPSC Ontario...to provide each and every member with a nick name...:cool:

Last week at EESA it was unanimously decided that Mr Hill will now be referred to as "corn bread" I'm happy to report the new handle is already catching on. Way to go Kent...err...I mean...Corn Bread.

I'm working on one for Rob...and Bobbie for that matter...but there's just so much material to go through (bee's, chicken, dogs that look like bears). I want to get it right.

In the meantime...since I never understood what the J is in your name...it spells out quite nicely as JR B

So I was thinking Junior B...or just Junior for short.

Ho hum...so much work...so little time

Regards
Quigley (who the hell gave me that name anyway)
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Vierdo was coined by an absolutely beautiful drunken Hungarian stripper.
 
iouri said:
US is another "section" that does not have mandatory work requirement.
I attended a few matches there (and planning to attend more) and was not obliged to work in any of them.

Many match organizers do manage to get required help without adding mandatory work slot, and I hope they continue to do so.
I try to help on local matches when I can, but when I travel for hundred or thousand miles - I'd rather only shoot, even if this would cost me more.
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I shoot the majority of my level2's in the US,shot in one day one start time equal squad sizes, no pre reg just show up an hour before the start time. each squad has an RO that gets lined up on all the stages by the MD/RM, theres at least 1 other guy who can run the timer and whole squad sets and patches. At the end we tear down whatever stage we finish on. Works perfectly.
Never understood having to patch for another squad when I'm not shooting. Theres no reason why an 8+ person squad can't handle resetting their own stage.
 
Madness said:
I shoot the majority of my level2's in the US,shot in one day one start time equal squad sizes, no pre reg just show up an hour before the start time. each squad has an RO that gets lined up on all the stages by the MD/RM, theres at least 1 other guy who can run the timer and whole squad sets and patches. At the end we tear down whatever stage we finish on. Works perfectly
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Kind of my point. I understand an unfortunate fate of ROs that they need to stay around, but what is the point to force regular workers to do the job they could do while they are shooting?

Personally I go patch and reset targets, and it also helps me to stay calm until my own turn to shoot.
 
My 2 cents:

USPSA has 20,000+ members, and a much larger base of officials and workers to drawn.

Canada has less then 3000. Now take a look at how many people are actually putting on events. Is it even 10% of the membership? In BC we have 350+ members, guess how many match directors we have for the whole section? SEVEN. The people assisting them probably less then 20.

Everyone is busy. None of us make any money at putting on Matches. The clubs make the money, not the volunteers. So why should a few people have to volunteer all of there time, so a few can "Arrive, Shoot, Split"?

From what I have heard and read about the situation in Ontario, you are living on borrowed time. The Match Directors, Officials, and volunteers that put on events are being burned out. If the membership does not recognize that and take steps to contribute more to the organization, then IPSC will be in trouble. Will it die? No, but it won't grow either.

IPSC Ontario has about 1000 members, imagine what could be done in your section if everyone worked to put on events?

DVC
 
Madness said:
I shoot the majority of my level2's in the US,shot in one day one start time equal squad sizes, no pre reg just show up an hour before the start time. each squad has an RO that gets lined up on all the stages by the MD/RM, theres at least 1 other guy who can run the timer and whole squad sets and patches. At the end we tear down whatever stage we finish on. Works perfectly.
Never understood having to patch for another squad when I'm not shooting. Theres no reason why an 8+ person squad can't handle resetting their own stage.
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That's what I am talking about.:cool:
We do not have to re invent the wheel here guys.
I guess this is why our better shooters like to shoot in the US instead of our matches. Then we wonder why we can't get classified against them.
Thank You Madness for your input. I hope more people can understand.
 
Madness said:
I shoot the majority of my level2's in the US,shot in one day one start time equal squad sizes, no pre reg just show up an hour before the start time. each squad has an RO that gets lined up on all the stages by the MD/RM, theres at least 1 other guy who can run the timer and whole squad sets and patches. At the end we tear down whatever stage we finish on. Works perfectly.
Never understood having to patch for another squad when I'm not shooting. Theres no reason why an 8+ person squad can't handle resetting their own stage.
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I am a little shocked that this is not the norm in Ontario,...it is here in NB and NS. Some folks will send emails,....or use the online system, but there are a few RO's on each squad. Everyone patches and sets steel. Tear down is the last squad on each stage, or everyone left at the range does it. I understand there are higher numbers in Ont,..but even our provincials and Level3's, everyone takes care of their own squad,....RO'ing, patching, etc.etc...
 
maurice said:
I am a little shocked that this is not the norm in Ontario,...it is here in NB and NS. Some folks will send emails,....or use the online system, but there are a few RO's on each squad. Everyone patches and sets steel. Tear down is the last squad on each stage, or everyone left at the range does it. I understand there are higher numbers in Ont,..but even our provincials and Level3's, everyone takes care of their own squad,....RO'ing, patching, etc.etc...
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It used to be that way here in Ontario too, but that was many moons ago. People now seem to think that all they have to do is pay money and everything else just majically happens.
 
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maurice said:
I am a little shocked that this is not the norm in Ontario,...it is here in NB and NS. Some folks will send emails,....or use the online system, but there are a few RO's on each squad. Everyone patches and sets steel. Tear down is the last squad on each stage, or everyone left at the range does it. I understand there are higher numbers in Ont,..but even our provincials and Level3's, everyone takes care of their own squad,....RO'ing, patching, etc.etc...
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By the way, Mo, how much regular L1 and L2 matches cost to competitors in NS and NB?
 
euxx said:
By the way, Mo, how much regular L1 and L2 matches cost to competitors in NS and NB?
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Level 1 I assume $10 (they are rare).....Level 2 matches are all $20. Usually for level 2 the minimum stage count is 7 or 8,...with at least 150rd count.
I am hosting a match with the help of the Hampton club members (and from other members from Dalhousie who are staying at my place) this weekend, and John K (stats). 9 stages, 172rds,:D..... I have 20+ confirmed attendance,.probably 25+ with those who do not prefer to use email.

The numbers are lower than Ont matches I assume, but we could do at least 36 before timing issues would cause delays. This is an "all day" shoot btw. If you care to stick around, you get results. If not, than results are usually emailed or posted.
I have some results to send to you BTW.
 
Viper26 said:
It used to be that way here in Ontario too, but that was many moons ago. People now seem to think that all they have to do is pay money and everything else just majically happens.
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Just to add,...results are usually done by the end of the match. Even for provincials, and level 3's.
Again,..different numbers,..but Sean and Jim (and Dave, etc) use magic to get the results done quickly. :p in NS.
John K and Roger L are the major stats guys in NB. Serge N puts a lot of work into matches, (Dalhousie), but also seems to help out other clubs. (Cape Pele, and Miramichi, and Hampton).
One big happy family...LOL (sometimes:rolleyes:)
BUT,..we tend to get along.;)
 
In Alberta are Qualifiers are normally in the 65 to 100 range with the odd exception. Match fees are $35 for out door matches and everyone works, usually a half day format. we usually do two qualifiers on a weekend. (Indoor matches are done differently.) Stats are done within an hour of the match finishing followed by awards and are usually posted on our website by Monday or Tuesday evening.

here are some interesting stats concerning MD's that are stats guy, Kevin M., posted recently.

For what it's worth, I had a look at our match backup files.

There were 109 Qualifiers or Provincials between August 2004 and now. The backup files contain the names of Match Directors for 104 of them. Of all of those 104 matches, there were only 34 distinct names listed. (A number of those people are no longer shooting with us for various reasons.) Of those 34 names, 8 people have been a match director for 5 to 10 matches.

For a little more recent data --

So far in the 2009-2010 season we have had 16 matches (with identified Match Directors) and 12 Match Directors. That doesn't sound too bad.

In the 2008-2009 and 2009-2010 seasons to date we have had 35 matches and 19 Match Directors. That sounds like a lot of repeats.

In the 2007-2008, 2008-2009, and 2009-2010 seasons to date we have had 53 matches and 19 Match Directors. That really sounds like a lot of repeats.
 
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maurice said:
Level 1 I assume $10 (they are rare).....Level 2 matches are all $20. Usually for level 2 the minimum stage count is 7 or 8,...with at least 150rd count.
I am hosting a match with the help of the Hampton club members (and from other members from Dalhousie who are staying at my place) this weekend, and John K (stats). 9 stages, 172rds,:D..... I have 20+ confirmed attendance,.probably 25+ with those who do not prefer to use email.

The numbers are lower than Ont matches I assume, but we could do at least 36 before timing issues would cause delays. This is an "all day" shoot btw. If you care to stick around, you get results. If not, than results are usually emailed or posted.
I have some results to send to you BTW.
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It totally makes sense when only 10..20 people go to a match with 7..12 stages. There is no way you can do it without work. In Ontario it is quite opposite, we easily have over 60 people + long waiting list for a match with 4 stages and about 80 rounds. It just not enough work for all shooters...

You guys have amazing matches. The results are uploaded. Enjoy.
 
euxx said:
It just not enough work for all shooters...
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There is only so much work to go around. The problem is right now, 5% of the people are doing 95% of the work and that's just not right! If everyone in the system volunteered at just one match per year, we'd have more than enough manpower and this would't be an issue.
 
Quigley said:
On another note...I've taken on a new infromal project for IPSC Ontario...to provide each and every member with a nick name...:cool:

Last week at EESA it was unanimously decided that Mr Hill will now be referred to as "corn bread" I'm happy to report the new handle is already catching on. Way to go Kent...err...I mean...Corn Bread.

I'm working on one for Rob...and Bobbie for that matter...but there's just so much material to go through (bee's, chicken, dogs that look like bears). I want to get it right.

In the meantime...since I never understood what the J is in your name...it spells out quite nicely as JR B

So I was thinking Junior B...or just Junior for short.

Ho hum...so much work...so little time

Regards
Quigley (who the hell gave me that name anyway)
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Quigley said:
hhmmmm...there was a bit of dirt on my screen...and I though you actually signed this post..."Olive". Eureka!!...that will be your new handle...

3 down...997 to go.

Hey Corn Bread...I may not be able to keep up. Since you're now in charge of the Black Badge program...any chance we can add that as the final requirement before they get the provisional card?
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3 down...997 to go.
Thats a lot off nick names to make up :eek::cool:
 
I have a question, if IPSC matches are such a burden and require so much efort to set up why clubs still put up with all this hard work?

Have anyone lost money on IPSC match?

In Ontario, where we have so many shooters matches bring significant profit, therfore that is why clubs host matches.
We live in times when a lot of poeple just want to get service fast and with very little effort on their part. That is why I think two tier system should work in Ontario.
Those who RO and help should be financialy rewarded if clubs want to have matches set, run and put away in timely manner... Unless all this is not about IPSC BUT $$$
 
PeterPan said:
In Ontario, where we have so many shooters matches bring significant profit, therfore that is why clubs host matches.
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Do you have any first hand info to back this up?

I would think that the IPSC matches bring in sufficient income for the host clubs to justify the use of theor ranges (remember we are guests of these clubs)

I have my doubts there is any "significant" profit...
 
Quigley,
just do simple calculation and you have numbers.
I don't want to sound as I am 'chippy', I shoot a lot and I pay, however matches=profit and some clubs need those money.
I like the idea of having matches a'la New Brunswick, with high count and whole day event. After match results ready.
We can not do this. To many shooters in Ontario and to few active clubs.
Please do not take my comment as crying, I think I pass that stage, what I say is only my observation and nothing more.

Greetings
 
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