Prs optics

kouma said:
Not to be ignorant, but I honestly want to know the advantages (realistic) that will make me shoot better using an 6-8K scope vs a 1-2k scope for something fast-paced like PRS. I have been shooting for only 1 year and up to 1030 yards (limit at Borden military base) using my Vortex Viper HD 5-25 and I can confidently and consistently hit targets ranging from 14x12, 12x12 and 8”. When I miss it’s because of bad wind read, not my ammo, technique, rifle and definitely not my scope. Target acquisition was not difficult either even when I had my zoom maxed out and I can see the faintest mirage hints about the wind. The 0.1 elevations (tested up to 9.4U) were right on the money and matched all my kestrel recommendations.

I did look through a TT scope and the image was big, bright, colourful and pretty, but I am not using the scope to watch birds or nature.

Sorry didn’t meant to hijack this thread
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How many PRS style matches have you participated in?

I only ask cause it sounds like you are fairly inexperienced in the discipline. No competitor with an experience will be shooting on max magnification. Way too many trade offs.

I can confidently tell you any high end optic with good glass will help you identify plates, especially those that are tucked away in the shadows or in front of rocks. Plus better glass in a scope is also used to spot where you are actually impacting on plate to make the correction to centre.

Now is a tangent necessary? No. Do most guys skull drag everyone with a Leupold mark 5hd? Yes. But an optic in the 3k + realm will definitely be beneficial for feature set and quality over a Viper HD.

It’s not about watching birds, it’s about seeing what’s going on down range after you’ve pulled the trigger.
 
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TylerCJ said:
How many PRS style matches have you participated in?

I only ask cause it sounds like you are fairly inexperienced in the discipline. No competitor with an experience will be shooting on max magnification. Way too many trade offs.

I can confidently tell you any high end optic with good glass will help you identify plates, especially those that are tucked away in the shadows or in front of rocks. Plus better glass in a scope is also used to spot where you are actually impacting on plate to make the correction to centre.

Now is a tangent necessary? No. Do most guys skull drag everyone with a Leupold mark 5hd? Yes. But an optic in the 3k + realm will definitely be beneficial for feature set and quality over a Viper HD.

It’s not about watching birds, it’s about seeing what’s going on down range after you’ve pulled the trigger.
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No actual PRS match experience which is why I am asking: What realistic benefits to expect from a 7-8K scope compared to a 1-2K one.

You mentioned seeing where the bullet impacts, I can already see that and correct accordingly, but I haven’t tried that on plates tucked in shadows or in front of rocks (no splash). Of course that’s assuming there is no mirage. Once mirage kicks in all bets are off lol
 
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kouma said:
No actual PRS match experience which is why I am asking: What realistic benefits to expect from a 7-8K scope compared to a 1-2K one.

You mentioned seeing where the bullet impacts, I can already see that and correct accordingly, but I haven’t tried that on plates tucked in shadows or in front of rocks (no splash). Of course that’s assuming there is no mirage. Once mirage kicks in all bets are off lol
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You answered your own questions.

Major PRS match winners aren't shooting Athlons and Vortex (muh warranty) Vipers.
 
so if I buy a TT I will automatically become a “Major PRS match winner”? Of course not. I am sure that the same winners you are referring to can use my scope and still win matches.

I am trying to justify whether it is worth upgrading my optics and what benefits will I obtain.

This is the view from my scope out to 941m. How will a 7-8K scope improve on this that and how will that improvement help in a fast pace activity such as PRS

 
kouma said:
so if I buy a TT I will automatically become a “Major PRS match winner”? Of course not. I am sure that the same winners you are referring to can use my scope and still win matches.

I am trying to justify whether it is worth upgrading my optics and what benefits will I obtain.

This is the view from my scope out to 941m. How will a 7-8K scope improve on this that and how will that improvement help in a fast pace activity such as PRS

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On the optical side, the fancy scopes will improve upon that video in these ways:
- wider field of view at the same zoom
- less chromatic aberation (the purple fringing around the white target edges)
- fidelity of small details, like bullet impact marks on the steel targets
 
kouma said:
so if I buy a TT I will automatically become a “Major PRS match winner”? Of course not. I am sure that the same winners you are referring to can use my scope and still win matches.

I am trying to justify whether it is worth upgrading my optics and what benefits will I obtain.

This is the view from my scope out to 941m. How will a 7-8K scope improve on this that and how will that improvement help in a fast pace activity such as PRS

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Do you happen to have any experience engaging plate steel at over 500 yards off of a prop or barricade?

I agree 100% with adamg’s post above. You gain more with finer glass. Like I mentioned in my reply, do you need a 7k tangent? No. Guys win with 4K mark 5’s all the time.

My recommendation to you since you are looking to justify this purchase but defend the Viper HD, is to go and participate in actual PRS event and see if the upgrade is worth it to you. Only you can make that decision.
 
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adamg said:
On the optical side, the fancy scopes will improve upon that video in these ways:
- wider field of view at the same zoom
- less chromatic aberation (the purple fringing around the white target edges)
- fidelity of small details, like bullet impact marks on the steel targets
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assuming the scope picture is the same as the video capture

there are those that will use something until it proves or disproves itself
while some care more about what others opine about
 
TylerCJ said:
Do you happen to have any experience engaging plate steel at over 500 yards off of a prop or barricade?

I agree 100% with adamg’s post above. You gain more with finer glass. Like I mentioned in my reply, do you need a 7k tangent? No. Guys win with 4K mark 5’s all the time.

My recommendation to you since you are looking to justify this purchase but defend the Viper HD, is to go and participate in actual PRS event and see if the upgrade is worth it to you. Only you can make that decision.
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Thanks I plan to attend some in 2026. I only attended one PRS (PPS) practice match hosted by Minos Lam with a bunch of props. I believe some of the targets ranged past 500 yards. It’s definitely a lot more challenging.
 
kouma said:
Not to be ignorant, but I honestly want to know the advantages (realistic) that will make me shoot better using an 6-8K scope vs a 1-2k scope for something fast-paced like PRS. I have been shooting for only 1 year and up to 1030 yards (limit at Borden military base) using my Vortex Viper HD 5-25 and I can confidently hit targets ranging from 14x12, 12x12 and 8”. When I miss it’s because of bad wind read, not my ammo, technique, rifle and definitely not my scope. Target acquisition was not difficult either even when I had my zoom maxed out and I can see the faintest mirage hints about the wind. The 0.1 elevations (tested up to 9.4U) were right on the money and matched all my kestrel recommendations.

I did look through a TT scope and the image was big, bright, colourful and pretty, but I am not using the scope to watch birds or nature.

Sorry didn’t meant to hijack this thread
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No worries man and it’s honestly a good point. I will say though you hit the nail on the head with your own statement. The main differences are image quality and durability along with a big one for me is reticle options. I know guys that won’t touch scopes under $2000 and I know guys that wont touch something Above $1000. At the end of the day it is all personal opinion. Mine being that with the higher end scopes everything is a little bit better, to some people it’s worth the money and others not.
 
Shooting Warehouse said:
If you don't have a fixed budget, then 2 scopes that stand out are the Tangent Theta 7-35x56 and the new Kahles K540i. I have both in stock.

These are 2 of THE best scopes money can buy right now. The field of view and glass on the newly launched Kahles K540i are out of this world. Tangent Theta is Canadian made, so a very very good choice as well.

You're welcome to call me and I can talk to you about options. I am also a Nightforce and Leica dealer - and I've owned and used NF, Kahles, S&B, March, ZCO, Tangent, Vortex Razor and a few other brands too... My favourite scopes right now, are the Tangent Theta 7-35's and the Kahles K540i.

For a budget scope that can do 95% of all the above named ones, look at the DNT 7-35x56 I also sell. Superb value for money at only $900. It's Japanese glass is good - just the Euro scopes and TT have much nicer glass - if that's what you're after.

Just my 2c.

Cheers

Robb
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Have a look at Schmidt & Bender 6-36x56. A good friend of mine was helping with the design of the reticle for PRS shooting. Our US agent put one on his PRS rig, zeroed it at 100m and came third place at a PRS match in Las Vegas just before shot show. He was very impressed.
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S1nnerman said:
the fact that you put a Kahles and a Tangent together shows that you know nothing and just selling for selling. They are not even in the same division.
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Well in the reviews I’ve seen, those were both in the top of the pile when it was done! On a side note, pretty sure Robbie has forgotten more about optics than most know.
 
Longstud said:
Well in the reviews I’ve seen, those were both in the top of the pile when it was done! On a side note, pretty sure Robbie has forgotten more about optics than most know.
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Kahles has a 10m view at 5 and 1.3 at 40 if im not mistaken vs the tangent 5.4 at 7 and 1 at 35. Which is a huge advantage for prs etc.

That being said im sticking to TT 525s for now. Tangents warranty is one the best I have seen. Test the scope multiple days, person fixing it is actually in contact with you. Spends multiple days replicating the issue at different times. Shipping to and from them is payed by them etc.
 
Lakkenbak said:
Kahles has a 10m view at 5 and 1.3 at 40 if im not mistaken vs the tangent 5.4 at 7 and 1 at 35. Which is a huge advantage for prs etc.

That being said im sticking to TT 525s for now. Tangents warranty is one the best I have seen. Test the scope multiple days, person fixing it is actually in contact with you. Spends multiple days replicating the issue at different times. Shipping to and from them is payed by them etc.
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I don’t need schooling on optics. The fact still remains, in the tests they were ranked the best. Differences on both were covered in the test and no one disputes the fov differences. Just you!! I don’t need convincing, I own three Kahles scopes. The fov is huge and I like the parallax on top. I haven’t had to use a warranty so can’t comment there. Great that TT is so accommodating!!
 
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