Given the pricing on the Troy stuff and ease of installation, I'd go with Troy. That said, they did have an issue a while back with out-of-spec rails, nobody's perfect. I'm looking at Troy for my Norc M4, the price is reasonable even for that application.
Quad rail on AR
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All the power to ya.... It's still cheap crap... I invested alot into my AR so bolting on airsoft spawned accesories to me, is not acceptable.... If you got a Norinco M4 or something like that then I could understand going the cheap route I guess.... but you ain't guna out shoot my $3000 rifle..
Yes, the AR platform is known for it's accuracy
What are you shooting? Pictures? Please show us your AR15 sniper package
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OK I'll through up some pics tonight for ya... but please nester stop rolling your eyes at me, lol
I also run MI and Troy for my BUIS and Aimpoint and Counter Sniper Optics. Say whatever you want, I'd rather spend the money on quality firearms and optics than a name in RIS, RAS et f**kin cetera.
If it does the job, who cares who makes it? If you're willing to pay twice as much for KAC or DD over say MI or YHM, great.
UTG/Leapers/Guntek offer an affordable product to fill a niche market here in Canada and the US. Otherwise companies like Brownell's, Tapco, JSE, Midway, ad naseum wouldn't be selling the products.
Sure, I'd like to post some pics of my ARs sporting all the brand name stuff, but if I can outshoot someone who has a $3000 rifle with my miserable $1000 rifle, who wins
What the f*ck are "counter sniper optics"? Are those commonly known as "optics" for those of us who don't engage other "snipers"?
You hit a very key point with bold section 2 "IF it does the job". That is a very big IF. You also mention you run brand name BUIS. Why run quality iron sights when you believe that cheaper products will work just the same?
As for companies selling UTG. Its simple economics. Offering products for even the lowest budget "shooter" nets a profit. Especially when the mark up on cheap crap is usually high. The "niche market" that UTG/Leapers/Guntek target is the low dollar poser. I said it, poser. Low dollar gear is the golden indicator of a poser who has neither the time nor dedication to put into understanding and running his/her gear. If one understood their gear or was dedicated to some discipline they would soon see the value of quality gear.
That being said, there is still plenty of brand name buying that isn't necessary. Running Larue, Knights, Noveske etc doesn't necessarily translate into "the best" or "better than brand Y". Knowing the purpose of the build in question and what you expect out of your gear are key in determining what is and is not required. Every piece of kit brings with it both pros and cons. Weighing one against the other while keeping your intended purpose in mind, should make selecting gear a lot easier. UTG/Leapers/Guntek offer only one real advantage, they're cheap. The quality of craftsmanship is acceptable at best. The materials and design aren't the greatest, and customer support is sketchy.
Its your money, run what you want, just don't complain when it fails.
TDC
What the f*ck are "counter sniper optics"? Are those commonly known as "optics" for those of us who don't engage other "snipers"?
You hit a very key point with bold section 2 "IF it does the job". That is a very big IF. You also mention you run brand name BUIS. Why run quality iron sights when you believe that cheaper products will work just the same?/QUOTE]
Hmmmm a little bit of looking might help TDC. I believe the company is a brand
http://www.countersniperoptics.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/catalog.html&setup=#AGENTID&cart_id=
Why do I run brand name BUIS? EE is a gunnutz best friend
I buy what I can afford and if it works, it works. I don't play in the sand and don't roll around in the dirt. If the rail holds a flashlight and/or a laser sight and maintains zero on my scope while benchrest shooting in Buttf**k, BC. I'm happy.
You call me a poser? Ha! I call a poser someone who will willingly spend 2 grand on accessories only to leave his rifle in the safe. Next thing you know it it's on the EE for $3000 with never a shot fired.
Don't get me wrong. I love quality and wish I could afford a Porche instead of a pos Ford, but I refuse to buy on name only if it means I can't take the Porche into the bush for a load of firewood.
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Not quite a "sniper package" I guess it could be but for now it's my 100 yrd and under gun, built from the ground up. I'm running an EoTech 512, this gun is so fun to shoot and more accurate then I need...
Some of you may be wondering why I'm running a PRS on a short range gun... Well the answer is, I wanted a solid rifle that I could "run & gun with" kinda like the A2 but also something I could bench rest with aswell.... You would also be surprised with the 12" rail she balances perfect, and the weight is nothing, I'm rock steady all day with it...Troy MRF 12" Rail
Couldn't be happier with it, solid and strong...
No Stamped Steel here, haha ... One piece machined.... Quality
What the f*ck are "counter sniper optics"? Are those commonly known as "optics" for those of us who don't engage other "snipers"?
You hit a very key point with bold section 2 "IF it does the job". That is a very big IF. You also mention you run brand name BUIS. Why run quality iron sights when you believe that cheaper products will work just the same?/QUOTE]
Hmmmm a little bit of looking might help TDC. I believe the company is a brand
http://www.countersniperoptics.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/catalog.html&setup=#AGENTID&cart_id=
Why do I run brand name BUIS? EE is a gunnutz best friend
I buy what I can afford and if it works, it works. I don't play in the sand and don't roll around in the dirt. If the rail holds a flashlight and/or a laser sight and maintains zero on my scope while benchrest shooting in Buttf**k, BC. I'm happy.
You call me a poser? Ha! I call a poser someone who will willingly spend 2 grand on accessories only to leave his rifle in the safe. Next thing you know it it's on the EE for $3000 with never a shot fired.
Don't get me wrong. I love quality and wish I could afford a Porche instead of a pos Ford, but I refuse to buy on name only if it means I can't take the Porche into the bush for a load of firewood.
By brand name I'm referring to well known brand names, not asian made airsoft garbage like the "counter sniper optics". I see my initial statement about posing was right on the mark. Visible lasers on rifles are pointless and I strongly doubt any laser you run is quality or holds zero. Furthermore, spending ones time shooting a combat rifle(tricked out or not) from the bench clearly tells me you're running the wrong system. Short of a "precision DMR" type build, the only reason to shoot an AR from the bench is to zero your optics. Then again, running your restricted AR in the bush is a no-no so perhaps you bench it at the range.
The $3k rifle that sits in the safe is no different than the stock rifle that sits in the safe. Both are under utilized and often owned by the poser. However, the only thing worse than a poser, is a low dollar poser. Cheap equipment leaves no room for doubt regarding the intentions or dedication of the owner. At the very least the poser with real gear is serious enough about posing to run good kit.
Your comparison between a Porsche and a Ford is great example of where quality/expensive gear isn't always better. The Porsche is a better built vehicle there's no doubt. Although as you mentioned the Porsche is incapable of hauling a load of wood from the bush. The Porsche although better built and better quality, is a poor choice for your intended role. Hence the importance of understanding what your intended role is and what you expect from your gear.
50calshooter,
Nice looking rifle.
TDC
Wow! A lot of poser talk going on here. Accusing a guy of being a wannabe because he does not buy some overly expensive name brand piece of kit is silly, and TDC, as a shooter you know better.
UTG rails are less expensive and do the job for a lot of lower budget shooters who would rather shoot than play the "gear wars" that are generally associated with the real posers in the competitive shooting sports.
A shooter may not choose UTG if their life were on the line daily in a combat zone however, for the range (or even civillian competition) UTG will and has done fine.
I would recommend buying the "best" kit a person could afford but, not at the expense of getting out and actually shooting.
UTG rails are less expensive and do the job for a lot of lower budget shooters who would rather shoot than play the "gear wars" that are generally associated with the real posers in the competitive shooting sports.
A shooter may not choose UTG if their life were on the line daily in a combat zone however, for the range (or even civillian competition) UTG will and has done fine.
I would recommend buying the "best" kit a person could afford but, not at the expense of getting out and actually shooting.
Squirrley11
Regular
I am trying to find a decent rail. Keep in mind this is for my personal AR so its isnt going overseas with me and im not taking it out on the road, although its tempting! I'm sporting it on an 11.5" upper thats why I was curious as to weather or not there is a benifit to haveing a free float.
I like the yankee hill however it seems to be sold out for now.
I like the yankee hill however it seems to be sold out for now.
SwL_Wildcat
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Here is a good bunch of videos to watch how to do it properly. http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11009/learn/
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Wow! A lot of poser talk going on here. Accusing a guy of being a wannabe because he does not buy some overly expensive name brand piece of kit is silly, and TDC, as a shooter you know better.
UTG rails are less expensive and do the job for a lot of lower budget shooters who would rather shoot than play the "gear wars" that are generally associated with the real posers in the competitive shooting sports.
A shooter may not choose UTG if their life were on the line daily in a combat zone however, for the range (or even civillian competition) UTG will and has done fine.
I would recommend buying the "best" kit a person could afford but, not at the expense of getting out and actually shooting.
No doubt there are plenty of candidates who play into the gear wars either at the range or within a discipline. If someone is serious about their discipline they will understand the value and merits offered in a quality rail. YHM makes decent products and they aren't that much more than the UTG offerings. Aside from price comes reputation. No one worth their salt is running or promoting the use of UTG gear. Call it a coincidence or a clue its your choice.
Running low dollar/low quality gear under the belief that it will perform to a similar level as higher dollar/higher quality gear is delusional not to mention counter productive with regards to shooter performance.
A budget is simply a value over a set period of time. Saving for a $250-300 rail isn't a far stretch from the $100-$150 rails. YHM rails are all under $200 USD.
Saving some coin for ammo is always a good idea. Its not such a bargain when the cheap product fails to perform or fails while performing. For the amount of cheaply accessorized rifles I've seen at the range, the shooters skill set was still lacking. For such a savings in gear it obviously isn't being spent on ammo. To be honest, I've seen the same from those with the high end/high dollar gear as well.
Other factors to consider are the fact that UTG is made in China. Personally I avoid products built in a nation that fails to respect its people, the environment or any other nation. Add to that the increase in job loss to off shore facilities. I'll keep my money in North America or Europe, but to each their own.
Buy what you want but remember this. You'll have a hard time finding anyone complaining about their quality gear or regretting the purchase.
TDC
TDC, With regards to the UTG rail, I must ask, have you seen one fail? How did it fail? The reason I ask this specifically is, I do know people who have (and currently do) run UTG rails, after a lot of use and abuse, have no complaints. And one of these gentleman is quite a highly trained individual. I did ask him about it once. His response was simple, (paraphrasing here) " it's an AR, a tool, I want a rail to hold sh!t... why would I spend 500 bucks on a hammer when a 30 dollar one will get the job done?"
As far as the political stuff, I have owned Norinco products over the years and would do so again. One has to take into account many things when about to purchase a product.
I can't stand Japanese cars but, I will admit, they usually get their passengers from point A to B.
Anyways, to the OP, there is a variety of good choices listed in this thread, good luck.
As far as the political stuff, I have owned Norinco products over the years and would do so again. One has to take into account many things when about to purchase a product.
I can't stand Japanese cars but, I will admit, they usually get their passengers from point A to B.
Anyways, to the OP, there is a variety of good choices listed in this thread, good luck.
Do tell, why on one but, not the other?
Bling & Glam as I'm only a Civi, plus the Noveske come with high Quality Vltor rails I'm pretty sure!!!
