Quality Files

I recall hearing a recommendation about chalking the file, especially when using it for draw filing, but haven't had a need yet to try that out.

I chalk all my new files before use to make them easier to keep clean through their life span.

Chalk holds moisture - it does help against pinning but it's best to clean with a stiff (not wire) brush every few strokes. (get in the habit)
If you are not worried about moisture where you store your files fine. If you are, clean the chalk off after use.
 
Bahco files are good quality and don’t cost an arm and a leg. Made in Portugal.

They’re available at Lee Valley Tools.
 
Chalk holds moisture - it does help against pinning but it's best to clean with a stiff (not wire) brush every few strokes. (get in the habit)
If you are not worried about moisture where you store your files fine. If you are, clean the chalk off after use.

Clarify that I chalk them to stop metal from clogging the troughs of the teeth, it makes them easier to clean with the file card and they last longer. Never had one rust even in the dankest wax rooms.
 
Bahco files are good quality and don’t cost an arm and a leg. Made in Portugal.

They’re available at Lee Valley Tools.

The present made Bahco files are OK but at the lower end of "decent" quality. OK for folks that only need a file occaisionally. They dull beyond sharpening quickly.
 
Clarify that I chalk them to stop metal from clogging the troughs of the teeth, it makes them easier to clean with the file card and they last longer. Never had one rust even in the dankest wax rooms.

Talcum powder, applied with a cotton ball works well for that job. Chalk is just as good though.

I use the Talcum powder because it's less messy.
 
I'll plug for Grobet File Co. too. https://www.grobetusa.com/files-swiss-pattern-precision/ If you need it, they probably make more variations of it, than you imagined could be made. Sorta like looking at Dumont Tweezers. You can get a really strong head-ache going, trying to sort out what the 'best' model for your needs is!

I'll be perfectly honest. I have had great results from some cheap POS files! But you need to sift through a lot to find the odd one that 'just works', sometimes. I have a strong preference for single cut, mill files and Mill Bastard files, for a lot of what I do. Double cut files will move a lot of material, but they are hard to get a decent surface finish from.

Not too many years back, they changed over (at least, a lot of the makers did) from using very high carbon steels, and heat treating those, to Case-Hardening files made of basic mild steel. I think that was about the same time files stopped being 'good' tools.
 
Started my apprenticeship in 1979 in Germany and got a set of F #### files and still have and use some of them. My grandfather and father had a few #### files that I now also use. We file every work day in our workshop.
https://www.####.de/feilen/en

edi
 
Clarify that I chalk them to stop metal from clogging the troughs of the teeth, it makes them easier to clean with the file card and they last longer. Never had one rust even in the dankest wax rooms.

I don't actually use chalk anymore - dries out my hands to the point of painful cracking, I prefer to keep them clear. But, yes - chalk will help keep them clear, but if you don't clean it off and your shop is a damp leaky basement. Your files will rust.

So by clogging I assume you mean 'pinning' (for those that don't know: pinning occurs when you use too much pressure forcing the file to try and cut deeper than it actually can (or never clean it) - kind of like a hand saw, it's not going to cut any deeper or faster if you throw your back into it. The pins are work hardened chips from your work, being harder than your work, they leave deep scratches that are impossible to remove until you clear the pins)

So what works for me is to keep the files clear, let them cut rather than forcing them and clear pins with a hunk of copper or brass if they start to form. Easier, cleaner and my files don't rust.


Talcum powder, applied with a cotton ball works well for that job. Chalk is just as good though.

I use the Talcum powder because it's less messy.

I'll bet your shop smells real pretty ;)
 
Chalk works well. Filing is an art and a dying one in a lot of shops. Spent almost 40 years doing machinist work and filing doesn't receive the attention it deserves neither does freehand grinding of HSS tool bits. A lot of younger guys are a bit lost without carbide inserts. No experience grinding HSS form tools, a useful skill.
 
Started my apprenticeship in 1979 in Germany and got a set of F #### files and still have and use some of them. My grandfather and father had a few #### files that I now also use. We file every work day in our workshop.
https://www.####.de/feilen/en

edi

But can you replace them with the same kind and quality now?


Doesn't matter what you have from the past, or what you started from. What matters is what you can supply to the next generation, as they come up!

Anyone who needs to rely upon a specific "Garage Sale" find, is of no use whatsoever!
 
Chalk works well. Filing is an art and a dying one in a lot of shops. Spent almost 40 years doing machinist work and filing doesn't receive the attention it deserves neither does freehand grinding of HSS tool bits. A lot of younger guys are a bit lost without carbide inserts. No experience grinding HSS form tools, a useful skill.

Agreed; I'm 72, grew up with manual machines and that's what I have in my shop now but you're right, the old manual ways are dying out. My Son is a CNC machinist 20+ years, lead hand in the shop where he works. In my shop awhile back, he noticed golf balls on my file handles, said "that's a good idea". I asked him if he wanted some golf balls for his files at work, he replied " no, I don't use files at work, if you're on a CNC machine, using a file, you're doing something wrong".
 
Sean69-" I'll bet your shop smells real pretty "

I use an unscented type of powder that I found at a Vet's shop. Label gone years ago from a 2 liter pail.

I guess the stuff used for babies bottoms is OK but what else is in the mix???
 
But can you replace them with the same kind and quality now?


Doesn't matter what you have from the past, or what you started from. What matters is what you can supply to the next generation, as they come up!

Anyone who needs to rely upon a specific "Garage Sale" find, is of no use whatsoever!

Well #### seem to supply the industry as they did before, also butcher knives. All professional gear. I have no doubt they are at least the same as before. The market is still screaming for quality tools even though 99% of the tools found in household/hardware shops is cheap cr ap.
edi
 
cuslog - that's a good idea with the golf balls. I have a few 'file handles' I found at a yard sale, with spring wrap reinforcing the socket. For my needle files for 'fine work' I use wall anchors on the file tenon.
 
There are still lots of good quality older N.A. or even UK-made files out there at garage sales and flea markets. I must have 60 plus of all sizes and shapes almost all purchased for a buck or two. Even found a few Swiss over the years. Same with the handles; I standardized on the Nicholson wooden tear drop handles.

Look carefully, because some files are dirty or a bit rusty, but hardly used. Oven cleaner will get the grease and crap off, wash in very hot water then sit them in vinegar for a day or two and the acid etching of the edges sharpens them very well and also removes any rust.

The important thing is not to bang them around against each other, nothing ruins the teeth faster. Soapstone is an alternative to chalk. Some people clean files on a rotary wire wheel, but I suspect the wire is usually a lot harder than is found on a hand file-card and probably not good for the edges.

Found a file with a handle at each end a few weeks ago, looks like a lathe file with convex sides. Never seen one before.

Another under-rated appliance is the old hand-cranked grinder that takes about a six inch diameter stone and clamps on the edge of a bench. Get a very fine stone on one and they are good for all kinds of things. The control over speed and direction of rotation the hand-crank gives you is very useful for jobs like touching up the edges on drills, HSS cutters etc. A magnifying swing lamp helps a lot too when grinding.
 
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There are still lots of good quality older N.A. or even UK-made files out there at garage sales and flea markets. I must have 60 plus of all sizes and shapes almost all purchased for a buck or two. Even found a few Swiss over the years. Same with the handles; I standardized on the Nicholson wooden tear drop handles.

Look carefully, because some files are dirty or a bit rusty, but hardly used. Oven cleaner will get the grease and crap off, wash in very hot water then sit them in a vinegar for a day or two and the acid etching of the edges sharpens them very well.

The important thing is not to bang them around against each other, nothing ruins the teeth faster. Soapstone is an alternative to chalk. Some people clean files on a rotary wire wheel, but I suspect the wire is usually a lot harder than is found on a hand file-card and probably not good for the edges.

Found a file with a handle at each end a few weeks ago, looks like a lathe file with convex sides. Never seen one before.

Another under-rated appliance is the old hand-cranked grinder that takes about a six inch diameter stone and clamps on the edge of a bench. Get a very fine stone on one and they are good for all kinds of things. The control over speed and direction of rotation the hand-crank gives you is very useful for jobs like touching up the edges on drills, HSS cutters etc. A magnifying swing lamp helps a lot too when grinding.

Sounds like a specific purpose Draw File for jobs like deburring large diameter pipe or the like. If you want something special, and are willing to place a minimum order, you could get about anything made!
 
Sounds like a specific purpose Draw File for jobs like deburring large diameter pipe or the like. If you want something special, and are willing to place a minimum order, you could get about anything made!

Could be, can't make out the mark yet, but there is one. Handles are nicely turned beech with brass ferules and hardly used seeing how clean they are. Has a Lee Valley look about it, but nothing on their website IIRC.
 
I have been trying to find a file card to clean mine, they seem to be unobtainium and nobody even seems to know what they are anymore.

Grizz
 
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