Question on SD. How many shot per group is sufficient?

[Mystic Precision]

Yep, an Atlas and a rear bag, I was trying out a new rear bag that day (actually a really old bag that I was trying again).

This discussion has actually been very helpful overall though. Aside from load testing at 100M I rarely shoot paper anymore and shoot steel 90% of the time.

Due to our discussions I shot more groups at distance last week and think I will now shoot a bit more paper than I have in the past. I may or may not change my load development process but as you said banging a 2 MOA gong does not tell you a high or low impact whereas paper will.

Tuning to get the best possible performance from your rig does require paper targets and the ability to plot your hits. Once you have things sorted out, go practise in the field positions you will be challenged with at the match. I think right now, there are a number of shooters who are practising with gear that is not performing to their skill or learning. I feel that is a huge negative as you loose confidence in yourself.

My winter practise rifle uses a factory barrel and it will warp when it heats up. It gets frustrating when you know you had a good break but the shot goes out. Might have to put on my match 223 barrel and just burn it up.... cost of learning.

having a super tuned rig will not ensure success in a physical discipline like PRS BUT having the confidence that the gear is working let's you make the necessary changes if you miss. If your new correction puts you on target, will that not help you with all other targets that stage? If you see that your come ups are trending up or down, doesn't that let you make better decisions on how you set up for future stages?

When you start putting shots on target and plot how that changes with light, and ambient conditions, its a skill other competitors may not have or take seriously. When you look at an ELR stage and know you are going to gain points on the competition, isn't that a good thing?

I think the need to build positions fast and get shots downrange on the pressure of time will be a wonderful new challenge to learn. Win? don't know... don't care. This is a sport where self improvement is really the first goal... at least for me.

Whether I can hit a target while balancing on 1 foot while stiring a cup of coffee with my weak side hand still needs to be determined but learning new skills is always fun.

Jerry

 

[BadAsMo]

Thank you for this. I have never shot this program or even seen it shot (on the range or on YouTube).
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Here's a couple vids from the Meaford match last year.

 

[luckey]

I am glad to report back that, as verified in Meaford PRS match, my first attempt for creating the long range load was a success! All the drop data I calculated before the match works beatifully during the match.
On the zeroing day, I only need 4 rounds(should be 3, but I turned turret the wrong way once. Lol..) to confirm my zero, and then another 4 rounds at 600 meters were all spot on.
During the match, my longest shot, with strong wind, was 690 meters on a 66% IPSC target(about 12"x25"??). I had to hold 2 mil up and 1.8mil into the wind which matches my calculated data, just like all other shots I made.
Even though I didn't do well overall, but considering I only started rifle in March(only played one day per weekend, not every week) and only practice for this match for 3 weekend days. I think I was ok. nothing to write home about, but with my ruger american predator 18" and 3 x 4-round mags, I did better than many others with the proper tactical setup. The match did amplify the area I am lacking(there are many), but throughout the stage, I know I am picking things up and became better than before the match. I loved the experience! I also had opportunities to meet some of the best shooters in the world which was awesome experience as well. got to shoot suppressed 308(sounded like popping a coke) and 6.5CM from Cedex was just icing on the cake!

@Jerry from Mystic Precision. Thanks for being a sponsor to support the event and your help in this discussion!

 

[Mystic Precision]

Happy to support the match... sounds like a great time was had.

Congrats on your success... sure feels good when it all comes together in a positive way.

There are a never ending list of things to get better at and time/practise will get you there. Was 690m the longest stage of the entire match?

Jerry

 

[luckey]

no. the longest was 1031 meters(1127 yards) in the same stage with the 690m target. that was 2nd day. I didn't get to that as I ran out of time on that stage.
still tons to learn. I am glad my friend tricked me into it as I never attended(never even thought of attending) any match whatsoever even I have been playing pistols for the past 2 years.
now it opens multiple cans of worms.... lol..

Happy to support the match... sounds like a great time was had.

Congrats on your success... sure feels good when it all comes together in a positive way.

There are a never ending list of things to get better at and time/practise will get you there. Was 690m the longest stage of the entire match?

Jerry

 

[BadAsMo]

My ears are still ringing. I was using Remington amplified ears but without foam plugs.

Time for some MSA Hearing protection with foam ear plugs next year.

S and V are tough the last couple days.

Those muzzle breaks are ear killers.

 

[Ryan.M.Anderson]

My ears are still ringing. I was using Remington amplified ears but without foam plugs.

Time for some MSA Hearing protection with foam ear plugs next year.

S and V are tough the last couple days.

Those muzzle breaks are ear killers.

I wear those all day besides the guns and they are really good. Admittedly I don't run nearly 100+ guys through the stage(s) but they work great.