Question to target shooters only - what scope?

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I am shooting target papers with my airguns only.
My .25 cal FX Impact is a dedicated BR gun for 50-100-125 meters, and my primary target scope is a Falcon X50 SFP (10-50x60).
Setting up now my next .22 cal airgun for 22LR 20-100 meters, and shopping for a target scope with a clarity again that I can see the projectile chewing the hole edges.
I had tried many scopes in the past impulse buy from whatever utubers influencers and hunters, that won't work again, I got rid of all the scopes kept the Falcon only.
I have preferences:

- SFP, I cannot stand the reticle growing or changing size;
- parallax adjustment down to 10 meters;
- minimum power 24 and up;
- or fixed power about 40 ish;
- I like the B20 style reticles;
- I click dial the known distances so holdover/under is only secondary thought;
- a full clarity and sharp edges at full power setting;
- to start with I would set the dollar cap to 5-600;
- second hand may give me a better glass for the money;
- I can wait couple months for a deal;

What would you recommend?
 
Don't know how you are going to get the Falcons equal by spending half what the Falcon cost.
Used good scopes don't drop much in price if they are taken care of.
Like Rod B stated the Sightron 36x is a good scope.
Older B&L 36, or Weaver 36x are out there but usually have fine cross hair or cross hair dot reticles.
Good luck!
 
Somewhere about a year ago in my gunclub I compare one x50 Sightron (I know that there are couple-more then one models) to my Falcon x50.
And what I have seen is that the Sightron lost a clarity and sharp edges at full power.
We spoke about that back then, both scopes looks like coming out from same assembly line, but only the Sightron is a US of A market oriented, which is sometimes a price vs quality conflict for a mid class scopes.
Also the ITAR is a real pain in the @ss.
 
flyr said:
Don't know how you are going to get the Falcons equal by spending half what the Falcon cost....
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That is called researching a bit longer, I got my Falcon X50 (NATO regulated) from Netherlands.

Sightron 36x is a fixed focus which is good, 1" tube I need to shop for rings in inches, parallax down to 15 yard which could be acceptable. I will look around for some second hand to minimize the loss if I don't like it.

The other scopes I would also consider, and still open to sugestions:
Athlon Midas Tac - problem I am finding is a FFP
Meopta Optika5
Sightron 45x Competition
March Hi Master 48x
 
bigHUN said:
That is called researching a bit longer, I got my Falcon X50 (NATO regulated) from Netherlands.

Sightron 36x is a fixed focus which is good, 1" tube I need to shop for rings in inches, parallax down to 15 yard which could be acceptable. I will look around for some second hand to minimize the loss if I don't like it.

The other scopes I would also consider, and still open to sugestions:
Athlon Midas Tac - problem I am finding is a FFP
Meopta Optika5
Sightron 45x Competition
March Hi Master 48x
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Good luck getting any of those (except the Sightron 36x) for your budgeted 5-600 clams.f:P:
 
flyr said:
Good luck getting any of those (except the Sightron 36x) for your budgeted 5-600 clams.
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That is not my budget only fictional dollar value to start with something. Otherwise I may be getting some models in a $2-3K range what I am not willing to put on my airguns, but buy one more airgun.

But, do not underestimate the $5-600 if you look wider what that money can buy you outside of Canada, I am not so patriotic when spending my own money.
 
bigHUN said:
That is not my budget only fictional dollar value to start with something. Otherwise I may be getting some models in a $2-3K range what I am not willing to put on my airguns, but buy one more airgun.

But, do not underestimate the $5-600 if you look wider what that money can buy you outside of Canada, I am not so patriotic when spending my own money.
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You said dollar CAP= $5-6oo =limit=most=max etc. not starting point.
Just buy another Falcon.
I'm out.
 
bigHUN said:
That is not my budget only fictional dollar value to start with something. Otherwise I may be getting some models in a $2-3K range what I am not willing to put on my airguns, but buy one more airgun.

But, do not underestimate the $5-600 if you look wider what that money can buy you outside of Canada, I am not so patriotic when spending my own money.
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Then just buy overseas. You already have your mind made up to what you want, so not sure what the point of the thread is?
 
If you are shooting benchrest at fixed distances, the best choice is a scope used in rimfire benchrest shooting. RFBR shooters often prefer fixed power scopes with fine crosshairs or with fine crosshairs and a target dot. These are high power scopes with adjustable objectives or side focus.

Among new scopes available in Canada these include Sightron SII 36X, Sightron SIII 45X. It's possible that the Leupold Competition 35X and 40X and 45X scopes are still available at retailers, otherwise they appear occasionally on the used market. March makes very good but expensive fixed power scopes.

Other suitable scopes are available only on the used market include the Weaver T36, Bausch and Lomb 36X, and Leupold 36X. These are all good.
 
grauhanen said:
If you are shooting benchrest at fixed distances, the best choice is a scope used in rimfire benchrest shooting....
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Thanks, great value information.
Now I can start researching for prices and sources.
For 100 meters target rings if I can find a better quality glass from second hand that would be my best deal.
 
I am here for learning curve, and a valuable information is reaching me, exactly what I need:

#1
Bushnell Match Pro 24x vs Sightron 36x
"I had 3 Match Pro 6x24 that I recently sold. They have VERY very good glass.... I can’t sing high enough praises for these scopes. They are FFP and I was using them for BR shooting but I found that I prefer a much thinner reticle for BR shooting.At 24x @50 yards the reticle’s center dot covers an ARA center X bullseye. I used one last year in an ARA match, shot an X but I didn’t see it because the center dot covered it and so I shot that bull a second time.After that incident I switched to a Sightron 36x very fine cross hair reticle with a teeny tiny center dot. The Bushnell’s have better glass and are brighter than the Sightron SII 36X but that’s life."

#2
"Save up some extra money and find a Used Leupold Competition Series 40X45" ................... but what I found out also the Leupolds don't go down to 10 meters parallax...

Keep the comments coming from people used multiple scopes and have comments about. Thanks in advance
 
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bigHUN said:
Which one of those prime lens x36 or x48 scope turrets are elevated (I can print the turret tapes) and well known for good tracking?
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It's not clear what is meant by "elevated" turrets.

The more affordable fixed power BR scopes referred to in this thread all track well but don't have tactical style turrets. They will have 1/8 MOA adjustments. Using FCH or FCH with target dot reticles, BR shooters don't usually do a lot of turret spinning as it's not needed when shooting at fixed distances. When accounting for wind drift, they use wind flags and similar devices along with sighters to make adjustments before shooting for score. During matches wind flags continue to be used to help account for changes in wind.

Below are some common 36X BR scopes. The first two are B&L 36X, the third a Sightron SII 36X, and last a silver (they are usually black) Weaver T36.






 
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He is looking for an airgun Field Target scope like he already has. ( though most of them are variables for ranging)
He should head over to the Canadian Airgun Forum and ask them.
 
grauhanen said:
He says it's for shooting benchrest with an airgun. Out of curiousity, why do you say a field target scope would be more desirable than a RFBR scope?
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He prints out tapes for clicks to specific ranges and pellet combinations and attaches them to the large turrets available on FT scopes. (look at the picture of his scope)
He also has a larger sidewheel attached for his parallax/focus turret.(for ranging)
I agree with you that a RFBR scope would be a better choice off the bench for known distances but he does not seem to agree.
 
I'll say a front AO can get annoying. Esp with the longer tubes. My arms are not long enough to adjust while behind the scope. My AO indicator ring moved on my Tasco 32 x scope. The glue let go. So it was a guess to put it back.
 
grauhanen said:
It's not clear what is meant by "elevated" turrets....Below are some common 36X BR scopes. The first two are B&L 36X, the third a Sightron SII 36X, and last a silver (they are usually black) Weaver T36...
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Yes, I print the scope tape and attaching it to the turret cap, this why the elevated-longer cap is a better choice. Even for your firearms I cannot imagine that you would be perfect shot (holdover/holdunder) in repeating distances between 20-30-40-50-60-70-100-150 yards/meters without turning clicks there and back all the time. This is not only a air rifle thing.
I see you you have a first person view into these four scopes. Mind you telling me some comparison for glass clarity? Thanks

Edit: this scope for example didn't had high enough turret so I printed a cap to be able to attach the tape:

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(and looks like the forum upload rotated the picture, sorry)

flyr said:
He prints out tapes for clicks to specific ranges and pellet combinations and attaches them to the large turrets available on FT scopes. (look at the picture of his scope) ... He also has a larger sidewheel attached for his parallax/focus turret.(for ranging) ....I agree with you that a RFBR scope would be a better choice off the bench for known distances but he does not seem to agree.
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Please I never said anything like that, I am always open to learn something - on top of what I already know.
Whatever said earlier the only conflicting may be - to sum it up, "I am not reach enough to buy good glass in Canada unless some incredible deal on the table, and for this same reason I better look into second hand market for better glass, or source from oversees".

Edit: Unfortunately at my place North Of Toronto I have not seen any Field ranges, all those are at the West end towards the Falls. At my gun club I have a 22LR range 20-100 meters silhouettes, where I want to have a dedicated scope for that (wider range of distances - turning turrets). The other gun with the Falcon scope is dedicated to fixed 2-3 distances only (I can combine turning turrets and holdovers).
 
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