blaxsun
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Quick pics of the Lithgow F90
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Never said it doesn't look cool
I like the rectangular bulked shape with smaller butt, actually more than the old triangular profile.
Absolutely true. The typical out-of-the-box hunting rifle nowadays is definitely more accurate than its equivalent counterpart of 20 or 30 years ago. They may not have the level of polishing and finish, the amount of plastic...er, sorry, I meant to say "polymer"
...is increased, and walnut is a thing of the past, but MOA accuracy nowadays is the norm.So why do we keep seeing expensive tactical guns that don't shoot worth s&$%? Because people continue to buy them, and then parrot the tired old "It's not a target gun, it's meant for combat!" BS. I've gotten MOA accuracy from Mini14 Target models as well as a HK SL8, and apparently the ACR is supposed to be a shooter as well...so it can be done! You can manufacture a horny-looking gun that the unsmiling tacticool guys will like, and it can still be made to shoot accurately.
Yeah, yeah, I know...you don't need MOA accuracy from that combat gun. News flash, guys: you don't need the gun at all. We buy guns because we want them...so why wouldn't we insist on better accuracy?
Unless you do. Provided reliability isn't affected I don't see why you wouldn't want more accuracy. Sure you wouldn't need it all the time but even for a combat rifle I am sure troops would like to have the ability to hit smaller targets.
How much do the stocks cost?
In any event, its not a certainty that they'll be readily interchangable on the F90, as there appears to be some key differences if this demonstration export model is any indication.
Hopefully those are just prototypes, those screw-filled clamshells are hideous. I'd just stick to the original.
As much as I like AUG ( Anyone who grew up with Die Hard! ), getting stuck with a 5 round proprietary magazine pretty much eliminates my desire to buy one. The new magazine release on the F90 also needs to be depressed fully into the stock to release, this means it needs to be hit with the thumb precisely all the time, a problem in Canada with heavy glove wearing cold weather. Obviously it is not an issue in Australia but it is in places with low temp winter. It is as unnecessary as the bridge around the bolt release on the HK416A5 - making improvement for the sake of improvement.
Another very big issue with the AUG ( and also F90 ) is the lack of real hand guard and the side mounting gas venting regulator. It is almost impossible to mount a basic tactical light ergonomically. You can't mount it on the left, because there is a charging handle with no rail space. Mount it on the right, your light is going to be reflected off venting gas in low light and it will lose at least 1/3 of the illuminating area by the shadow of the barrel+receiver, unless you have a very long cantilever. Even with that, you need to tape switch it somehow and it has no where to go other than the vertical grip. The only thing that works is the antique vertical gripped surefire M900.
For all practical purposes, as a "tactical" rifle, AUG/F88/F90 will not cut the mustard. The very basic stuff needed is the mounting of a light and then IR laser, that can be quickly manipulated. A 9 to 5 rifle is useless in practical environment. For nostalgia, I may consider one when the NATO stock is available, but I doubt it will be used much. The X95 may not be the most accurate, but you can actually mount all the necessary items and manipulate them, albeit it is still not as efficient as an AR15. We will keep seeing the RAR commando using HK416 and M4, and the grunt will be stuck with whatever creates jobs at home.
Another very big issue with the AUG ( and also F90 ) is the lack of real hand guard and the side mounting gas venting regulator. It is almost impossible to mount a basic tactical light ergonomically. You can't mount it on the left, because there is a charging handle with no rail space. Mount it on the right, your light is going to be reflected off venting gas in low light and it will lose at least 1/3 of the illuminating area by the shadow of the barrel+receiver, unless you have a very long cantilever. Even with that, you need to tape switch it somehow and it has no where to go other than the vertical grip. The only thing that works is the antique vertical gripped surefire M900.
For all practical purposes, as a "tactical" rifle, AUG/F88/F90 will not cut the mustard. The very basic stuff needed is the mounting of a light and then IR laser, that can be quickly manipulated. A 9 to 5 rifle is useless in practical environment. For nostalgia, I may consider one when the NATO stock is available, but I doubt it will be used much. The X95 may not be the most accurate, but you can actually mount all the necessary items and manipulate them, albeit it is still not as efficient as an AR15. We will keep seeing the RAR commando using HK416 and M4, and the grunt will be stuck with whatever creates jobs at home.
To put this in perspective, we've got an issue right now with the RCMP making AR 15 receivers banned (prohib, full auto) due to differences in trigger group pocket measurements. Effectively trying to go back and ban guns that have been in the system for years, even though most of those receivers still need a milling machine and a tradesman to make them illegal, and we're assuming that this will get approved? I wouldn't sweat the details or get your hopes up, it's a waste of time.
Greentipps. The picture on the bottom of caracal and the last AUG lithgow has a big mag release, I would like to try that out in winter time as well. . As for lights there are ways around all of that with little concern. Actually there is just one minor alteration to the front end of that gun that would eliminate all those concerns.
Either way I think they have solved a lot of the. Osmotic issues withe aug and they finally added a deflector. Although I know a better way defector to add there. But I don't get paid to help them so why bother. Lol.
Either way I think they have solved a lot of the. Osmotic issues withe aug and they finally added a deflector. Although I know a better way defector to add there. But I don't get paid to help them so why bother. Lol.
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It's more complicated than that though. You need to make it so that it cannot be modified to accept the mil trigger pack too, which requires a significant redesign.
Why. Though really. How are you going to get a trigger mechanism anyways. Its just stupid. The RCMP lab I think does this stuff to justify there job. Its BS. If someone build a whole FA trigger than its illegal you need equipment to do that like a CNC machine to make reliable parts. They know this and people with the expertise or experience are not going to gamble there futures away to produce that FA trigger pack.
blaxsun
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THE_SASQUATCH
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Anybody hear anything new?
84wh1
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A company called cdn gunworx was/ is trying to bring them in. A little while back they were raving on their facebook page how these were going be NR because some "RCMP lab people" told them off the cuff at a "dealer range day" of sorts, that they are going to be NR. Personally I have my doubts but you never know.
I think they were putting the cart before the horse on this one though. When you advertise a product as "coming soon and will be NR and we will be the official dealer" and then customers have to wait years, you really loose credibility.
I think they were putting the cart before the horse on this one though. When you advertise a product as "coming soon and will be NR and we will be the official dealer" and then customers have to wait years, you really loose credibility.
