Quick question - ATF Form 6

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Any unusual shotgun restrictions, especially concerning barrel length? From what I've read, any 18" barrel is okay and the OAL must be at least 26"?

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Onagoth said:
Any unusual shotgun restrictions, especially concerning barrel length? From what I've read, any 18" barrel is okay and the OAL must be at least 26"?

Thanks,
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I think the minimum is 16" But the nice people at the ATF will cross off any gun on your list not permitted in the US when they return your Form 6 (Like Norinco's)
 
I am about to submit a Form 6 also. My upper is a Noveske with a 14.5 SS Afghan barrel. With the FH it is 16 OAL. Will it have to be perm attached to be approved? If I put 16 on the form, will a Border Guard check if it is perm attached or?

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CdnCombatMedic said:
I am about to submit a Form 6 also. My upper is a Noveske with a 14.5 SS Afghan barrel. With the FH it is 16 OAL. Will it have to be perm attached to be approved? If I put 16 on the form, will a Border Guard check if it is perm attached or?

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The 14.5" is a definate NO-NO, 16" + is GTG.

Don't even think about taking the 14.5", they may (will, if it's your first time) check and if they find it you've lost it, are going to the slam until court date, jail - maybe , deported - definately.

You have to pin the collasible stock, no bayonette lug nor flash hider for most of the north eastern states. Penn State is GTG. Mag caps are 10rds and one is 15rds, none in PA.

You have to declare the ammo too.
 
yes your flash hider will have to be pined by sommeone that know how to do it so it pleasy the ATF. you need a specific method
 
Onagoth said:
I'm not sure thats true, since the AWB has been repealed rifles with all those accessories are legal for temp import.

I bring my AR to Michigan all the time, it has a collapsable stock, a flash hider and a bayo lug. It's even been inspected. The ATF has approved it and the border guards have never given me any grief.

AFAIK, 14" barrel is okay, as longas the FH is permanently fixed and the total barrel length is at least 16"

I know NY has some different restrictions, depends on what state your going to.
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The McClure-Vollmer act protect people transporting firearms between states. Essentially if you're legal where you come from, and you're legal where you're heading, there's no problem with individual state laws that might otherwise hinder you. The condition is the firearm is unloaded, and in the trunk or locked container.

The fly in the ointment is I am not sure if that applies to imports, or where the law would default as the start location. My guess is if you enter the US from a state that doesn't have an AW ban, you're probably good to go. Entering through NY with a gun in thier defined AW condition might just be asking for trouble.
 
Onagoth said:
I'm not sure thats true, since the AWB has been repealed rifles with all those accessories are legal for temp import.

I bring my AR to Michigan all the time, it has a collapsable stock, a flash hider and a bayo lug. It's even been inspected. The ATF has approved it and the border guards have never given me any grief.

AFAIK, 14" barrel is okay, as longas the FH is permanently fixed and the total barrel length is at least 16"

I know NY has some different restrictions, depends on what state your going to.
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I contacted the NY State Police and BATFE field office in Syracuse. It's a State law.

14" barrel is a NO-NO period.

I stated the Eastern states.
 
RePete said:
14" barrel is a NO-NO period.
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I suspect he's refering to the Bushmaster style uppers with the permanently attached flash hider which bumps the length to a legal 16 inches. Still a moot point if he can't enter NYS from Ontario with a flash hider.
 
You can enter the US with a non compliant AR if you are going to PA or points south, just don't uncase it.

There is a law that covers travellers.

FWIW the 14" barrel is a 14" barrel flash hider or no. Pinned or welded. In Mass. the hider must be affixed in a prescribed manner, but no bayonette lug and a fixed collasible stock.
 
NY last had a 10 round max limit, but do you think they enforce it? its a State thing.

I have entered the US with

a flash eliminator.
a bayonette lug
and a 14" barrel
and in 556


short barrelled rifles can enter as a QCB or what we call Restricted pistols up here. You log the Lower not the upper. Uppers change in size. Almost all CQB uppers are registered in the US. ( when attached to a lower ) and they are treated like a handgun.

Border guards enforce Federal laws not State laws.
 
redbirddog said:
short barrelled rifles can enter as a QCB or what we call Restricted pistols up here. You log the Lower not the upper. Uppers change in size. Almost all CQB uppers are registered in the US. ( when attached to a lower ) and they are treated like a handgun.

Border guards enforce Federal laws not State laws.
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Sorry,but you're misinformed.

The Dept of State state thier policy is to not allow temporary import of NFA act firearms.

If you are entering with a sub 16 inch upper on your shoulder stock equipped lower, you are in possession of an unregistered SBR. An AR-15 pistol in the US can't have a shoulder stock.

While you are right, in that BATFE have mistakenly registered uppers as stand alone SBR, they will very quickly correct that oversight if they find out. Essentially the person filling out the Form 1 to "create" the upper in this case has lied, or failed to read the instructions. The only work around for this is a dedicated supressed upper, which isn't what we're talking about.
The lower is the part that needs to be registered as a SBR prior to installing the sub 16 inch upper.

A Short Barrelled Rifle, is not treated like a pistol in the US. It's treated as a machine gun. You need a form from BATFE to move one between states for a match.
 
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