R.C.M.P Pistols
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S&W 5946. Almost the same as the 5906. Heavy, (which most of the smaller folks shoot better with), but reliable. Not destroyed, still in service. Not that old either. If its the 38's, they are LONG GONE, never to be seen again!
Yep... the .38's are long gone!!! Unless you work for the Correctional Service of Canada.... then you use the Smith and Wesson Model 10 .38 every day!! What a joke, we get all of the hand me downs. Hopefully soon we will get with the times and switch to an automatic!!!
Why do people short sell revolvers? They never jam and are usually a lot more accurate than an automtic.
Must just be the "cool factor".
Must just be the "cool factor".
Well, considering the revolver is a back-up weapon, it is not so bad. It is accurate enough, but a DA trigger and only 6rds (unless you are a competent revolver shooter and can do reloads, you are screwed). This is your last resort. STick with the Colt rifle or 9mm carbine.
The full-size issue pistol is the 5946, but you can also request the 3913, a single-stack version of the same thing (mainly for members with smaller hands). These are both DAO pistols that require the slide to cycle to reset the trigger, and S&W agreed to buy the remaining stocks of Model 10s and parts if their pistols were chosen during the trials.
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- Alberta land of many guns
Revolvers on the outside are simplier than Autos, but on the inside they are far more complex. The range of revolver only issues is staggering. When they do fail its usually a catastrophic failure resulting in a useless gun. For the average Joe shooter its no biggy, for LEO's it is a biggy.
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.... The "old" RCMP issue Model 10s all went back to S&W, along with holsters, speed loaders etc. From S&W who knows where they went ? Scrap? Parts? Some 3rd World Police Force ? In any event, the bulk of the Model10s were getting pretty long in the tooth, and lacked night sights. Plus there was a perceived need for greater "firepower" . The "new pistols" are stainless steel, chambered in a caliber that's readily available (the .38 Special was not, in the quantities needed) has night/lowlight sights, and being D/A only offered some,again perceived, liability advantages. Another advantage is that only one pistol was needed for both uniform and "plainclothes" duties. The 5946, being flat and fairly compact, is easy to carry and conceal, when not in uniform. The 15+1 capacity is an advantage in as amuch as spare ammunition needed when working civvies(although the issue shoulder holster does allow for it,as does the plainclothes belt holster ) However, working in uniform, the 15+1, plus 2 extra magazines,'cuff,Asp,mini-mag light, radio,gets pretty damn heavy by the end of a 12 hour day ! The 5946, caliber aside, handles really well, and in the instinctive role, points better than the old square butted Model 10 . .... reliability has been pretty good, despite some early "teething problems" ... It really was a shame that Members were not allowed the opportunity to purchase their "old, original issue sidearm" ! ...... David K.
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5946, nice and heavy. Shoots more accurately than most people ever will. Good for breaking car windows too...
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Out of all the gunfights (say ten years worth) that LEO's have been in,I wonder how many rounds were fired from start to finish,on average.Are you really at a disadvantage with a M-15 and some 158 LSWCHP plus p's.
The RCMP went first with the SIG 226. After they did multiple test with the HURT and the news of SEAL facial injuries (due to ++P ammo), they droped the 226. In France, Manurhin was building the 226 for export, as SIG was not allowed to sell (Swiss laws) military arms. They found quickly that that the slide would split and hit the shooter when firing ++P ammo (sub machinegun stuff). They modified the slide by adding some reinforcing ribs. The RCMP HURT teams accepted these firearms. The general RCMP units were switched to S& W later as the $$ deal was better. One of the conditions that was imposed by the procurement arm of our government was, that in no way the Model 10 would be on the used market in Canada! Both the SIG and the S & W deal were made by R. Nicholls.The S & W as the Ruger's are really a poorman's firearm. As one of the previous posts said: spray and pray! Both have mediocre accuracy and reliability. Several special forces use long barreld revolvers for one-shot-one kill. The Austrian Cobras, Norwegian SF, French GIGN and even the German GSG7 use Manurhin revolvers. They all have used th guns in real situations with one shot kills. There is nothing more lethal or man stopper than a 125 gr Federal JHP or even the 110 version. Although the French use a hypervelocity brass round to great effect.
Best regards,
Henry
hnachaj said:
The S & W as the Ruger's are really a poorman's firearm. As one of the previous posts said: spray and pray! Both have mediocre accuracy and reliability. Several special forces use long barreld revolvers for one-shot-one kill. The Austrian Cobras, Norwegian SF, French GIGN and even the German GSG7 use Manurhin revolvers. They all have used th guns in real situations with one shot kills. There is nothing more lethal or man stopper than a 125 gr Federal JHP or even the 110 version. Although the French use a hypervelocity brass round to great effect.
Best regards,
Henry
The facial injuries you refer to occurred with the Beretta 92 pistols when using high pressure loads, and the Sig has never suffered from slide separation. The RCMP SERT teams subjected the Sig 226 with a steady diet of
116gr IVI SMG ammunition, causing the rails to crack and even be pinched over using your fingers. The was corrected with increasing the rail thickness and no further problem were encountered, as for European teams using revolvers you are correct, but most have replaced them with high capacity psitols, including GSG9 which uses the Glock 17 after phasing out the P7M8.
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As usual, the Correctional Service of Canada gets the cast-offs from other agencies and we still use the RCMP S&W .38's as our standard sidearm. It is completely inadequate for a number of reasons.
The .38 is not always a back-up weapon, there are times that by default, it's our primary weapon. On the rare occasion that officers are actually permitted to be armed on an inmate escort, the .38 is the only firearm available to us. During a "routine" vehicle stop on the institution's perimeter, it's all we have when outside the truck. If things go to &^%$, all we've got is our .38 until/unless we can get back to the truck and retrieve the AR-15. Draw the AR-15 for anything other than a blatant and obvious threat (like visible weapons in a vehicle or an escape in progress) and you've got some serious explaining to do.
I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have a semi-auto with 13+ rounds in the mag than a 6-shot revolver. With the minimal firearms training we get, I wouldn't ever want to attempt to reload the .38 under fire. There's a reason all other law enforcement agencies use autos, but as usual CSC doesn't give a sh!t and goes with whatever is cheapest.
maurice said:
The .38 is not always a back-up weapon, there are times that by default, it's our primary weapon. On the rare occasion that officers are actually permitted to be armed on an inmate escort, the .38 is the only firearm available to us. During a "routine" vehicle stop on the institution's perimeter, it's all we have when outside the truck. If things go to &^%$, all we've got is our .38 until/unless we can get back to the truck and retrieve the AR-15. Draw the AR-15 for anything other than a blatant and obvious threat (like visible weapons in a vehicle or an escape in progress) and you've got some serious explaining to do.
I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have a semi-auto with 13+ rounds in the mag than a 6-shot revolver. With the minimal firearms training we get, I wouldn't ever want to attempt to reload the .38 under fire. There's a reason all other law enforcement agencies use autos, but as usual CSC doesn't give a sh!t and goes with whatever is cheapest.
