R18 Mk 3 vs Crypto vs BCL Badger Vs Raven Vs WK 180 Gen 3 Vs...Vs waiting for Poillevre

hsatimmy said:
I still have the ticket stub and the aftertaste; I lost money and gained safe queens from his actions. He had a storefront here then too and if you look back you can see many people involved in those threads and the apology one are still here.

Calling out anti behaviour is always the ideal goal but one falsehood and your entire message starts to be ignored or discounted.
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That is the weakness of mine. And i don't always explain things properly so my bad
 
Denam said:
I don't know if sterling arms and the shooting edge are owned by the same dude, but they are related in this issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/1fuxrze/shooting_edge_in_calgary_has_closed_effective

"It's unfortunate to see a business with 25 years of history go down like that. JR is a polarizing individual; he's got as many staunch supporters as he does adversaries. He won no friends during the Swiss Arms nonsense, but like everything, there are two sides to that story too, and it wasn't without a good deal of skullduggery on the part of some of those involved with CSC. There was no "innocent victims" in that deal; there was a fair amount of each trying to screw over the other.

They made more than a few missteps along the way, no question. We should not lose sight of the fact that JR was one of the very first to the table to mount a self-funded legal action against the Feds after C-21 came down. His suit was not claiming loss of business; he invested more than 6 figures on a fight based on a government attack on the rights of shooters. He had a lot of his own money at risk, that he lost, fighting for the rights of gun owners, which is worth some respect. There were many thousands of loudmouths who did much less tangibly than JR did.

Like him personally or not is of no importance; losing a player that big to the industry and the Calgary gun scene is going to be hard to overcome""
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You need to think very carefully about what you want to post here, but exactly what skullduggery was CSC involved in? You make a baseless accusation, offer no proof, and think that it is acceptable because "there are always two sides to every story".

JR made baseless accusations for reasons known only to him. His accusations were proven to be entirely false.

https://tv-presspass.com/swiss-arms-in-canada-the-full-story/

He apologized publicly.

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JR had no financial interest in SAN and was not their distributor. The RCMP forensic report determined that the control rifles submitted by JR were C/A, while the alleged "prohibited and spurious copy" CSC gun was a semi auto.
 
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Shooting Centre said:
You need to think very carefully about what you want to post here, but exactly what skullduggery was CSC involved in? You make a baseless accusation, offer no proof, and think that it is acceptable because "there are always two sides to every story".

JR made baseless accusations for reasons known only to him. His accusations were proven to be entirely false. He apologized publicly.
JR had no financial interest in SAN and was not their distributor. The RCMP forensic report determined that the control rifles submitted by JR were C/A, while the alleged "prohibited and spurious copy" CSC gun was a semi auto.
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Denam is quoting what Reddit user "YYCADM21" commented on the Reddit post that he attached.
 
Wallenstein said:
How is the SU 16 ?

I have been reading up on it, watched a bunch of review videos.

Overall they seem positive, particularly on the latter generations.

That said there was one video review which showed how they can brake and it was a doozy.

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Only gun I've ever seen that doesn't come with at least one magazine!
 
Shooting Centre said:
Apologies to Denam then, but the post still alleges CSC wrongdoing in a case were there definitively was none.
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I do not know the whole story, As I said to the poster, you will have to look into the matter because there are a lot of bad fish in the water that wants to make guns less easy to get. Rather its government or whoever

Hence why i said look into the reddit post and figure out what you can make of it on your own terms
 
Anyone know of a timeline of when we’ll get Gen 3 kodiaks, badger, or Sterling mk3 in consumer hands?
 
45C said:
I’ve had a few and they all came with a magazine.
They used to come into Canada with an 10 round mag which I thought,got switched out to a 5 round mag
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Maybe the supplier just wants to keep things legally simple and supplies none, as opposed to figuring out the final destination. Canada's different, and some states also have different capacity limits.
 
trebor2880 said:
Maybe the supplier just wants to keep things legally simple and supplies none, as opposed to figuring out the final destination. Canada's different, and some states also have different capacity limits.
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Oh trust me, their mags suck in general that you are better off using whatever mags you already got, or to buy a 10 rnd lar15 mag
 
Sigh said:
Anyone know of a timeline of when we’ll get Gen 3 kodiaks, badger, or Sterling mk3 in consumer hands?
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Unfortunately, I can't speak to any platform other than the SAI R18 Mk3. As far as the Mk3 is concerned, testers are currently awaiting a revised Pre-Production Bolt from the Canadian Sub-Contractor so that testing can commence. As the minimum round-count for selected testers will be 1000 rds, expect that testing could take some time. Combined with the potential for international supply chain issues, I wouldn't expect to see the SAI R18 Mk3 on the retail market until December 2024 at the earliest, possibly slipping into Q1 2025. Everything currently hinges on the Canadian Bolt manufacturer getting their act together.....
 
Bartok5 said:
Unfortunately, I can't speak to any platform other than the SAI R18 Mk3. As far as the Mk3 is concerned, testers are currently awaiting a revised Pre-Production Bolt from the Canadian Sub-Contractor so that testing can commence. As the minimum round-count for selected testers will be 1000 rds, expect that testing could take some time. Combined with the potential for international supply chain issues, I wouldn't expect to see the SAI R18 Mk3 on the retail market until December 2024 at the earliest, possibly slipping into Q1 2025. Everything currently hinges on the Canadian Bolt manufacturer getting their act together.....
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I never understood(legality/AR-Variant aside), why 180 type BCGs never adopt the AR15 spec bolt and firing pins. Even if it’s a bolt without gas rings slot.

Metallurgy of the common AR15 bolt is pretty much state of the art.
 
PinaKaleada said:
I never understood(legality/AR-Variant aside), why 180 type BCGs never adopt the AR15 spec bolt and firing pins. Even if it’s a bolt without gas rings slot.

Metallurgy of the common AR15 bolt is pretty much state of the art.
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Agreed. The Cam-Track appears to be aligned exactly the same as a standard AR15 Bolt, so I see no reason why a standard Bolt could not be adapted to work in the R18 Mk3 instead of the proprietary Bolt currently being (re)manufactured. It would certainly simplify the acquisition of that critical component.....
 
Denam said:
I do not know the whole story, As I said to the poster, you will have to look into the matter because there are a lot of bad fish in the water that wants to make guns less easy to get. Rather its government or whoever

Hence why i said look into the reddit post and figure out what you can make of it on your own terms
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Its fine. I think everyone is stressed due to our current government and i think we are all under a lot of nonsense
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And CSC is ensuring that when this BS story keeps rearing its ugly head it gets knocked down.

To be very clear, CSC was accused of importing prohibited guns and selling them as non restricted guns. We were accused of selling "fake" SAN rifles. We were accused of fraud and serious criminal activity. These were serious accusations and placed this company and its owners and staff in legal and financial jeopardy. They were all false, and part of a narrative spun by JR Cox to defend his actions which were taken for reasons known only to him.

This is as comprehensive a version of events that can be found anywhere: https://tv-presspass.com/swiss-arms-in-canada-the-full-story/

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“ESF 9116 appears to be a purpose built semi-automatic receiver, while the two other firearms, serial numbers ESF74361 and a Swiss Arms, Model Classic Green (stripped) receiver, serial number ESF73096 appear to have been converted into semi-automatic firearms from full automatic receivers.”​


ESF9116 was the rifle imported by CSC, the other rifles had been imported by TSE and MDC. MDC had been the importer for about three years at the time of the original complaint.

JR posted an apology in the National Post (see post #82), and also on CGN ( TSE section now removed).

There is no middle ground or other side.

We appreciate that this issue does not belong in threads on other topics, so we will be building our own thread in our section where we can address misinformation, answer questions, and set the record straight. See: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/swiss-arms-misinformation-thread.2481599/
 
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Shooting Centre said:
And CSC is ensuring that when this BS story keeps rearing its ugly head it gets knocked down.

To be very clear, CSC was accused of importing prohibited guns and selling them as non restricted guns. We were accused of selling "fake" SAN rifles. We were accused of fraud and serious criminal activity. These were serious accusations and placed this company and its owners and staff in legal and financial jeopardy. They were all false, and part of a narrative spun by JR Cox to defend his actions which were taken for reasons known only to him.

This is as comprehensive a version of events that can be found anywhere: https://tv-presspass.com/swiss-arms-in-canada-the-full-story/

Highlight:

“ESF 9116 appears to be a purpose built semi-automatic receiver, while the two other firearms, serial numbers ESF74361 and a Swiss Arms, Model Classic Green (stripped) receiver, serial number ESF73096 appear to have been converted into semi-automatic firearms from full automatic receivers.”​


ESF9116 was the rifle imported by CSC, the other rifles had been imported by TSE and MDC. MDC had been the importer for about three years at the time of the original complaint.

JR posted an apology in the National Post (see post #82), and also on CGN ( TSE section now removed).

There is no middle ground or other side.

We appreciate that this issue does not belong in threads on other topics, so we will be building our own thread in our section where we can address misinformation, answer questions, and set the record straight. See: https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/swiss-arms-misinformation-thread.2481599/
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Ah okay.

I got the names mixed up my bad and sorry for the miscommunication
 
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