Range report Swiss Arms CQB
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Perhaps I could have worded my statement better, but you need to pay attention to detail and read my post more carefully.
I did not say that every AR out of the box is more accurate than a Sig.
I said the AR platform is inherently more accurate than the Sig out of the box.
By virtue of it's design (DI) there is much less (read no) mechanical linkage to interfere with the accuracy. This is in fact, the truth.
The Norincos and other bottom feeder parts of questionable quality aside, I think the manufacturing (and in particular barrels) of ARs has seen a massive increase in quality in the last 15 years.
I honestly believe one could screw on a name brand 'rack grade' barrel from Colts, (definately) Diamaco, RRA, Armalite, etc. and easily go head to head with the Sig, and in most cases come out ahead.
I'm not talking about an AR someone has spent 3K on to get it tricked out. I'm talking about a decent barrel, a decent trigger, and go shoot them side by each.
Do it. I have been and I speak from my experience.
When I grab an auto out of the safe for a competition it is an AR of some fashion. The others including the two Sigs get left at home - for a reason.
YMMV
Just wait until they finish a blink, and the eye is open. Eyelid meat is a terrible thing to waste.
Of course, the "Ear Hole" shot works really well as well, but you have to backup at least 500 yards.
Perhaps I could have worded my statement better...The Norincos and other bottom feeder parts of questionable quality aside, I think the manufacturing (and in particular barrels) of ARs has seen a massive increase in quality in the last 15 years.
I honestly believe one could screw on a name brand 'rack grade' barrel from Colts, (definately) Diamaco, RRA, Armalite, etc. and easily go head to head with the Sig, and in most cases come out ahead.
YMMV
But...My 14.5" Norc shoots more accurately than my 16" Bushmaster, my 16" Armalite and my 20" RRA ever did. I sold the Armalite and RRA as soon as I discovered this phenomenon...and quite frankly the best $800 I ever spent. And not once have I ever let someone else shoot it, and not heard them comment that it looked like a complete and utter piece of crap.
Dear Original Poster.
Thankyou for your posting, can you please tell us what type of bullets you were using and what rifle twist your Swiss Arms has? I know there's two different twist rates, but Im not sure if that applies to the Shorties...
I don't know if you were following my ulterior motive type post, but relax, this is just a discussion. Beltfed is a very knowledgeable shooter, with some skill to back it up with. Nobody here was doing any real comparison of apples to apples. Rigrat was kind enough to share his experience with his new toy. We all should be happy someone finds the time to go out, have some fun and put some bullets down range. We all need to do that more.
Rigrat is also very knowledgeable, and a no BS kind of guy, so I think we can all benefit from his report.
Beltfed may be knowledgeable in something but to show up on this thread touting the AR are being collectively better than the SAN and the DI system so much more accurate than the piston is, one to hijack the thread from the OP who was discussing the accuracy of his own rifle, against nothing, and two quite an incorrect or false statement. If you are going to butt in to the conversation at least be a little bit correct. His statement indicates to me that he is not nearly as smart as you think he is Range time and competing does not make a person smart.
Dizzy. (that's your real name now isn't it?
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My original post was in response to the following quote:
"...for those that don't believe, I'm sorry you were raised on the utter disappointment of AR based rifles without $3k of added mods. Factory Swissarms cost primo coin for a reason. Because you don't have to add a thing to make them shoot like you do with AR's."
How you draw a parallel between 'inherently more accurate' and 'so much more accurate' is beyond me.
)My original post was in response to the following quote:
"...for those that don't believe, I'm sorry you were raised on the utter disappointment of AR based rifles without $3k of added mods. Factory Swissarms cost primo coin for a reason. Because you don't have to add a thing to make them shoot like you do with AR's."
I'm not touting anything; just laying out the reality check for the person who posted the above nonsense (and apparently you as well).
How you draw a parallel between 'inherently more accurate' and 'so much more accurate' is beyond me.
My appologies to all -save you.
You are wound just a little too tight, aren't ya..
To the other guys: but what if one wanted to shoot an unladen swallow at a distance greater than 300 yards, but less than 500?
Good shooting! Impressive. I wonder if the shorter barrel having less flex contributes to its accuracy? Regardless, from iron sights you are definitely an excellent shooter.
The AR SA argument? Who cares? The SA rifle with regular length can be taken hunting or plinking.
The AR SA argument? Who cares? The SA rifle with regular length can be taken hunting or plinking.
