ratio of A's to C's in production
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omen said:Just to add, the winner of the Quebec provincials, in Production, shot 92% of the max possible raw points
(now, if I can only maintain that without the need for all those extra shots on steel, haha, that would be great).
Hey, just focus on that annoyinglittle black knob on the end of the gun and you shoulod be all set.
Sorry; I had to.
I tried going faster in the provincials and risked accuracy and found out I was still not as fast as the top guns and now much less accurate. If you can't maintain your accuracy then "speed kills". 17th place doesn't lie!
doc25 said:
watching myself on video, beyond point blank range (like stage #1), i neither shoot very fast nor move very fast (except when I can get up to speed, like #8). I think the time savings come mostly from the quickness and smoothness of setup and takeoff - I'm not lightening fast getting to a shooting position, but I seem to be able to shoot almost the moment I get there. I remember, two years ago, I was the opposite - I would run like the wind, come to a crashing stop, and take 2-3s to get the first shot off. Now I slow down earlier, and try to "glide" into the shooting position, starting to aim before I even see the target. Seems to work fine.
I feel that I do need to speed up the physical movement from position to position, but I have to be very careful not to let that rapid speed in running carry me into rapid fire. Practice, I guess. Move fast, shoot slow - sound like a total line, but it works...
also, not ####ing up is much more important than smoking stages. you don't need to win lots (or any, but that's rare) stages to win matches. In Ottawa I only won 3 stages (out of 9). But there were no major ####ups in the other ones (the chair was not a good stage, took forever to activate it, that was my lowest one, but the others were all around 90-95%). Let others try to play the hero, shoot safe and consistent, pushing it only on stages which are "your type" of shooting, where you know you can do well. If you follow this attitude, you'll get to near the top. Then, to make it to the top, you'll need to push it more, or course, but that's when you're already near the top and want to make that last, final push. The more you push, the closer you get to the edge where you'll fall off...
Finally, remember, raw rank (5th, 7th, etc) is meaningless. Look at percentages. I mean, would you rather be 17th at 90% or 6th at 57%? Counting the number of bodies between you and the winner is simply a function of who shows up. Looking at the %s shows you how well you are doing, relative to the winner.
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You're definately right about percentages. But I did not fare well there either .
An interesting thing you said was about gliding into position ready to engage the target. I've heard this recently in a talk to another shooter. I concluded that I was playing checkers while guys like Pascal were playing chess with many moves planned out in advance, knowing where their next target would appear when they rounded cover.
Another interesting point is having your body working independantly meaning your legs being the movement platform and your upper body the weapons platform. To me this means keeping the firearm ready to shoot and moving your body into position.
It's one thing to shoot well, another to move well and well ... quite another to do both at the same time. I appreciate your insights and find the sport more complicated than originally anticipated.
. An interesting thing you said was about gliding into position ready to engage the target. I've heard this recently in a talk to another shooter. I concluded that I was playing checkers while guys like Pascal were playing chess with many moves planned out in advance, knowing where their next target would appear when they rounded cover.
Another interesting point is having your body working independantly meaning your legs being the movement platform and your upper body the weapons platform. To me this means keeping the firearm ready to shoot and moving your body into position.
It's one thing to shoot well, another to move well and well ... quite another to do both at the same time. I appreciate your insights and find the sport more complicated than originally anticipated.
In my classes I have occasionally had people express surprise at the low round counts, specifically the shoot and scoot class. That's because my classes aren't really so much about shooting. I figure that if you have a black badge you have already learned on some level what it takes to make an accurate shot. Still, most people seem to think that successful IPSC competition is all about the shooting, but that really isn't the whole picture. Sure, you have to be able to shoot accurately on demand, but once that skill is acquired there is not much you can do to improve your hit factors until you start learning how to move well. Once a solid base-line of accuracy is achieved, your most significant gains are going to come from efficient movement. Setting up and taking off are two of the biggest time losers for most people. And if you can shoot on the move and just not have to set up at all in a stationary position, you can win big-time. Remember; it's not moving fast and shooting fast that wins matches. It's shooting accurately and moving efficiently that wins.
Agreed. You really have to watch a couple of the videos on Henning's website to get a feel for this. He's not moving fast, but you check the time afterwards and wonder how come time moves so much slower for him...
http://www.henningshootsguns.com/pages/2006_Canada.html
http://www.henningshootsguns.com/pages/2006_Canada.html
when walking a stage look for visual cues that can be your setup points on walls, props etc. You know zap straps that are at the same height as the first target you are going to engage when you come around a wall, marks on the ground for where you want your foot to fall, that kind of thing. One thing I constantly see is people that can only shoot targets in one direction, left to right typically. you need to be able to switch directions. The pneumatic stage at the Nats this year is a good example, a lot of people I watched had problems shooting the single target that appeared after the 3 turned away. Why? because they were stuck shooting right to left, and then having to travel back all the way to the right to pick up the last target. It went against their normal way of shooting. Yes as you came into the window you could setup on the right target first as it was the first one you might see, but if you did your movements fast enough you were waiting for them anyhow. And during setup it was no quicker to pick it over the left one either. Simple things like that make a lot of difference in time.
I reviewed my crash and burn at the nats this year and was horrified to learn that I have adopted some stupid new trait. I am coming off set for every movement, and then setting up again each time I need to shoot. No longer am I leaving the gun up and ready as I come into a position (on smaller movement type stuff), instead I am bringing the gun back into my chest, and then punching it out again, over and over. I watched one stage where I could've saved at least 4 seconds maybe 7 because of this. I have no idea where I got that from, it certainly wasn't part of Todd Jarrets course I'll tell you that. Older video I have of me shows me being much more smooth and ready quicker. Maybe I should be unemployed again and just focus on shooting instead of mortgages and work?
I reviewed my crash and burn at the nats this year and was horrified to learn that I have adopted some stupid new trait. I am coming off set for every movement, and then setting up again each time I need to shoot. No longer am I leaving the gun up and ready as I come into a position (on smaller movement type stuff), instead I am bringing the gun back into my chest, and then punching it out again, over and over. I watched one stage where I could've saved at least 4 seconds maybe 7 because of this. I have no idea where I got that from, it certainly wasn't part of Todd Jarrets course I'll tell you that. Older video I have of me shows me being much more smooth and ready quicker. Maybe I should be unemployed again and just focus on shooting instead of mortgages and work?
Dragoon said:BTW, I'll be retired from the CF and getting a pension in 20 days!!! I guess I'll have all kinds of time to focus on my shooting.....
Yikes, we're getting our asses kicked by Prod shooters from BC and NS, we'll be adding Alberta to the list soon...
hey, the more the merrier, right?
Slavex said:
I was mentioning to a couple guys a few weeks ago that we're getting spoiled by the mesh "see through" walls out in BC. It's too easy to enter a position knowing exactly where the targets are, even though you theoretically can't see them through the "vision barrier".
Next year, we're going to try putting some black plastic over the edges of the walls (but not in the middle) just to obscure the targets for that fraction of a second as you come to the shooting position.
