Rauch Tactical Multi Mount Rail a VZ58 / 858 scope mounting rail.

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  • rather explore other options

    Votes: 35 22.4%
  • rather have just the rail

    Votes: 36 23.1%
  • rather have a package that included everything I need

    Votes: 85 54.5%

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The Rauch Tactical MultiMount Rail system is an optic mounting rail, which allows shooters to mount Russian mil-spec optics and optic mounts to VZ58 and variant rifles. It is designed to fill the desire of many shooters looking for a VZ58 scope mount. Key features of the MultiMount Rail system are the integral shell deflector, variable mounting height, its length and the movable return to zero stop. The shell deflector effectively and reliably changes the ejection path of spent casings by up to 50 degrees ensuring they do not contact the optic thus damaging it or changing the point of impact. The variable mounting height, length of the rail combined with the movable return to zero stop allow the shooter to effectively set the eye relief of their chosen optic in a comfortable and repeatable position. The rail bolts to the left side of the rifle’s receiver using 4 supplied bolts creating an extremely stable mounting point.

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The rail is constructed of steel and parkerized for superior durability in the field.

Firstly the rail itself mounted. (Note: this deflector is not exactly what the final version will look like as this was the basis for our testing. I will post up pics of the final version when they are ready)

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This is a good time to clarify that we designed the rail to mount in a variety of heights inside the lightning cut, you have about 3/8 of up/down play to work with. Depending on the mount or optic you choose different heights can work better then others. I will include how to choose what is best for you in the instructions that will accompany the rail as it can be confusing without having the rail and optic/mount in your hands.

Rail with the PK01 mount and 30mm optic from the mount side:

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Other side:

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And centered:

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The scope is a 1.25-4x30 Bushnell 4200 Elite, it has a 30mm tube. For me this is my favorite setup, mostly cause I'm left handed. There is room for a 40mm bell for sure if you want a larger aperture. Also there are ring reducers available so you can run an optic with a 1" tube, this is what John runs on his.

Rail with 4x24 POSP side view:

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Rear view:

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Rail with 6x42 PSO side view:

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Rear View:

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Both the PSO and POSP scopes are ~1/2" offset to the left. For me (left handed shooter) it wasn't the most comfortable but I had no issues and personally like the 4x24 on this rifle. The centered optic is more comfortable for me for obvious reasons. For about $200 shipped including the optic with mount its a good deal. Nice glass, good finish and very nice target turret system.


This picture shows the PKA red dot. I'll show two mounting points but you can choose 5 preset ones with the MultiMount rail. Side view rearmost setting:

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Forward setting:

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Rear view:

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The offset with this optic is the same as the POSP. Decent red dot, especially for the price. Has that I'm gonna invade Georgia feeling.


This mount Kalinka calls the SKS/SVD Mount w/ 1" Rings, mounted is a Leupold 2-7x33. Side view:

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Rear view:

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Offset with this mount is ~3/8. A better fit for southpaws then the POSP/PSO optics and very solid.

Q: With the shell deflector will one be able to remove optics and still be able to use irons?

A: Yes, Irons should be unobstructed whether or not you remove the optic.

Price is $125 CAD plus shipping. We will announce it here when they are ready for sale and shipment.

Additional Information and pics:

I know that there are those who are nervous about drilling their receiver and for them we would like to assure you that this mount is designed to be combat ready, competition ready, hunting ready and generally abuse ready. I want the user to be able to drop their rifle while running, pick it up and hit their target. The designers, development team and production staff are comprised of highly skilled professionals. I want users to have the optic fail before this mount. Once mounted it is best to view it as just another part of your rifle.

For all interested buyers both commercial and personal, we are currently making a list of customers who would like to get one of the first batch of rails. If you want us to put your name next to one please send me an email at sean@rauchtactical.com.

We have found one of the best mounts available for mounting an optic on the rail is the PK01 mount. The mount is relatively light, puts a tube optic as close to and centered over the bore as possible while still allowing the rifle to be stripped without removing the optic. It is designed for the late model AK mounts but with some minor modifications which I will outline it works great on the MultiMount Rail. The offset rings are 30mm but with NC Star 30mm-1" inserts a 1" tube optic mounts perfectly



We took this mount:

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And removed the brass spacer in the center. After some research the late model AK side rails have a relief for this ours does not and the piece is not necessary. With the piece in place it causes this mount not to sit flat on the dovetail and the optic will be offset about 1/8" or so. This mount was solid for over 500 rounds with no movement.

we also had to remove some material at the back of the mating surface to allow it to slide forward on the rail. No big deal, 1 minute with a grinder/dremmel.

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Ignore the junk leapers scope, we just use it for mock ups.

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This one is sold by Kalinka as the EST AK, SAIGA, VEPR Side Mount w/ Side Weaver Rail and 1" Rings, this info is a little misleading, it is made by the Tula factory in Russia.

Its a very good quality piece that is very solid with a relatively low profile on the side of the rifle. It has no sharp edges which is nice but is a bit heavy and it places the optic higher then on the other mounts I've tested (PK23 mount and the offset mount with integral 1" rings) it is designed to mount large bell optics on AKs. It does not quick detach but mounts very firm with a nice simple screw. Rings are 1" integral.
 
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Say someone sold a scope package that would allow you to easily install a POSP, PKAV or simular russian optic on a rail made specificly to be permenantly attached to the vz reciever?

The package would include the optic or optics, rail and and fastoners.

Would there be CGNs interested in such a rail?

I would be interested in a VZ-58 specific permanant mount and the accompanying scope carrier or picatinny rail mount. If it was no-gunsmith, that would be a bonus. If it requires drilling the receiver,that's OK, as long as it's clear on how to locate it and doesn't require the 'smith to guess the drill location.

Improvising or adapting a mount for a proper scope, as opposed to a red dot or forward "scout mount" is the biggest PITA right now.

I would also be interested in a good-quality east-bloc optic that was appropriate to the 858 in particular, perhaps a choice of one fixed and one variable. If such a thing were possible. Something suitable for 50-200 yards, maybe, with enough power to give a bit of an assist over the iron sights at the range, and also to help out a bit with something like a whitetail or a coyote.

My eyes aren't 21 anymore. For that matter neither is the rest of me....
 
Further to this thread, I am interested in what POSP optics people think would be a good match with the VZ858. I know there are some who have mounted these scopes (various powers), and I'd be interested to hear which magnifications have been considered OK, too little, or too much.

Suprapeg, I seem to remember you commented some months back that you had an 8x scope, but that it was so physically large it seemed out of place on the 858.

I have wondered about a compact 3-9 scope from one of the western manufacturerers, and I have seen various scopes advertised on by people like Eastwave and Kalinka.

At this point, I think I could tackle the installation (after reading so much good advice on Gunnutz), but scope choice is still bugging me. I can't see shooting out to more than 300 metres max with these rifles. More realistically, 100-200 would seem to be the kind of range that these rifles were designed for.

Not meaning to hijack the thread. I think a purpose-built POSP setup would be great, and I'm interested in which optic would go best as part of that.
 
i'm a big fan of 'no-gunsmithing' solutions..
some sort of rail system that was pre-made and mounted to the long mid-body screw hole and a stock spacer would be good
i currently have one made my Kasat that i still need to mount my rail to. but a pre-made one would be a great product.
 
I think what you describe will fit alot of 858 user budgets. The flexibility of being usable for red dot or scopes will add versatility to those who like to experiment. A 4x optic is about right for this application, and red dots also lend themselves well to this carbine. Sounds like you have a well thought out design and it comes at a balanced price. I'm looking forward to it.:)
 
A nice feature that we were able to add further to the original design is multiple mounting distances so you can mount whatever optic/mount you want in a variety of eye reliefs and still have RTZ if you remove it.
 
for between 100 and $200 sounds like a good deal:)
how exactly does it mount to the rifle?
existing holes or new one's?
whats the difference between mounting a russian optic and a western?
i like this idea
 
how exactly does it mount to the rifle? existing holes or new one's?

There will be 4 new holes required in the reciever similar to other side mounting systems. The mount itself will be threaded so you just bolt it in place with some blue locktite and its good to go. It will be very strong and proper installation should require no maint.

whats the difference between mounting a russian optic and a western?

If you take a look at eastwave.ca or Kalinka optics you will see some good examples or russian optics. The SVD ones will work best with this mount.

The nice thing about russian optics or the russian optic mounting system is the fact that they have some excellent optics for very good prices that you can just mount and go. Or they have mounts that will allow the mounting of western red dots and scopes. This is why we went in this direction.

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suprathepeg if you have the ability to manufacture mount's I can send you mine that requires no gunsmithing and you can manufacture it? I have been getting a lot of questions lately, on how much these go for and were people can get them. PM me if your interested as I realy don't have the time to make these or want to deal with the headaches in selling them.
 
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