RCMP "Information Regarding 80% Lowers"

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VinnyQC said:
A judge in a courtroom. After a couple of 10k$ have been spent.
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Problem with that is then anything is almost complete. And the main thing is it only almost complete if you have a PAL and own guns - but otherwise just a piece of aluminum - so the real target is those stupid enough to obey the laws. I can see this being abused by law enforcement to confiscate guns.
 
The worst part in all this is that if you accept that an 80% lower AR is prohibited because it can be milled into an M-16 lower, then the same argument is true for a complete AR lower. Actually, it should be easyer to transform an AR15 lower than an 80% lower into an M16 lower.

At this point, it doesn't matter if the incomplete lower is 80% or 50% complete. An AR lower is still a transitionnal state between a block of aluminium and an M16 lower, and it's much close to the M16 than it is to a square block. The only reasonning that can keep an AR lower from being an unfinished M16 lower is that the AR lower has some functionnality in itself other than becoming an M16 lower, but that is also true of the unfinished (80%) lower, yet, it i deemed as prohibited according to our fed cops.

So either that whole opinion is complete balderdash and wouldn't stand in court, or it has legal legs to stand on and every AR could become prohibited without any change to any law. That makes a LOT of law-abiding criminals.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Do you own a car?

Do you have beer in your fridge?

You're now guilty of drunk driving!
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In that case we will have you arrested just as you are getting home from work. Perish the thought that you might get to the front door and turn the knob in the front door. As I see it from there you will have a clear run to the fridge (assuming you like cold beer; the warm stuff is probably in the kids room or already set up in a baby bottle, Eh?)

and now for a really stupid question:

How much of this public funded work is actually in response to a genuine law enforcement problem in Canada?. "Are like" (the term used by kids, after too much beer from their baby bottles) criminal elements actually using these items for some criminal purpose, at all? This is actually a serious question. If not these are our tax dollars "circling the bowl" to build a larger empire with no effect on real crime, seriously.

And for my last question. Do the the beer baby bottles come in 6s, 12s, or 24s?. Inquiring toddlers everywhere want to know. Also, will they accept Mom or Dad's credit card or do we also just put that on a another government expense account, at our expense?

P.S. If you promise to pour the beer down the toilet (many rats, will salute you!) and turn the beer bottles into cases of Molotov cocktails then your drunk driving charges now and it he future will be dropped. Incidentally, I would think that cases of Molotov cocktails would be far more lethal and easier to make than these receivers? Could we take a poll on this question? Could we also make Molotov cocktails in different flavors? :)
 
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Harrier .45 said:
And what's to stop a current AR owner from modifying an existing receiver to accept a full-auto trigger group from an M.16 rifle?

Any item -- be it a firearm or otherwise -- is not illegal until it is COMPLETED as an illegal product. An 80% completed receiver for an AR.15 has an equal opportunity to be completed as a legal and Restricted firearm as it does to become a Prohibited device. Yet it is the potential for misconstruction has reached the breaking point.

Do we live in a Minority Report state now, where Precogs can predict who will break a law, and what events will transpire in that regard? Have the Liberals and the RCMP begun using psychics to foresee what actions a previously law-abiding citizen might possibly take given any random scenario? Can they arbitrarily arrest someone because they have the potential to contravene the law?

It was always my understanding that the RCMP, and indeed every other law enforcement agency, was mandated to do just that: enforce existing laws. When did the ability to create new laws on their own pass down from the Parliament we elected to the civil servants who are appointed to their positions? It's about time we take a good hard look at how this country is being mis-managed.
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Well said!
 
Arclight said:
Well said!
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As I alluded to in my previous comments above the Minority Report scenario can be avoided by putting an fresh condom over the muzzle of the offending rifle, and another over the head of its owner. The used ones are too sticky! :redface:

This regulation upon regulation going no where like a Borg Cube Hurtling through outer space towards earth (unless they are already here?) with the squeaky voice: "resistance is futile, you will be assimilated" must also be meet with sarcasm and humor . Resistance is not futile and the regulatory regime must be brought into the light of the 21st Century (read that somewhere and it applies to this case also)

Just by what read here we are dealing with high school bully's on your tax dollars and mine. As we all learned in High School there is only one way to deal with a bully which is to stand up to them and insist that out MPs do the same. This is just one more opportunity to show yet another poster child for regulatory abuse. Now you have to make use of this opportunity or loose by default; simply not being present
 
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The best part is, the RCMP have now encouraged everyone with an 80% receiver to go ahead and finish it. Makes no difference now because you're already a criminal.
 
I wrote my mp today, unfortunately it is Bob Bratina,. I know of a few other places where police could make laws as they saw fit, Nazi Germany, north Korea, Uzbekistan to name a few.. rcmp is probably right intimidating citizens into compliance always works!
 
Ingots said:
The best part is, the RCMP have now encouraged everyone with an 80% receiver to go ahead and finish it. Makes no difference now because you're already a criminal.
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Yeah really. There was no warning or anything for these people that bought one. That being said this was the same thing with beuwolf mags. You push to hard and too far the hammer will come down faster.
 
I am pissed, I had 3 sitting in my cart from ctcs, just waiting for payday...what a kick in the face. No .308 ar for me :(
 
I wrote my MP today. He was receptive to my last complaint regarding the CZ858 reclassification.

"Good afternoon Mr Eglinski,

I write this message to you today again as a frustrated Canadian who is fed up with the RCMP making arbitrary and sweeping decisions that impact thousands of law abiding firearms owners like myself. Their newest decision to reclassify 80% lower receivers to a prohibited device has once again turned everyday Canadians into criminals overnight, simply by the stroke of a pen. This decision was not made by anyone elected by the people, and received no input from the public that as of this morning, has had new "criminals" spring up overnight with no warning.

The RCMP have once again overstepped their boundaries and have decided to reinterpret existing laws as they see fit, rather than focus on enforcing existing ones. Their decision to prohibit 80% lower receivers has hurt firearms businesses, turned citizens who legally purchased and paid taxes for these parts into criminals overnight, and has set a dangerous precedence. The RCMP is referencing section 2 of the criminal code to call an 80% lower receiver "a barreled weapon from which any shot, bullet, or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm" Does this also then pertain to PVC tubing? Solid blocks of aluminum that could be turned into a firearm? Is an elastic band a prohibited device, since I am able to adapt it to discharge a projectile that could injure someone? Is it time to prohibit NERF guns to get them off our streets? There's a slipperly slope that the RCMP seems dead set on exploiting, because not enough people are standing up for it.

The parts in question are blanks machined either of aluminum, or made of a polymer material that are not complete to the point that they're usable as a firearm component in any way, until someone completes the necessary steps to make them functional. Until someone performs the appropriate steps to make the part functional, it's little more than a paperweight. Upon completion of the necessary work, it's already a requirement by law to register the part as a firearm (since the lower receiver is considered to be the firearm) If something is already a law observed by law abiding firearms owners, what does making something doubly illegal serve to accomplish?

It is my hope that you share the same opinion(s) that I do about the continuing RCMP overreach that firearms owners are currently the victims of. I can think of no other piece of property that a citizen can purchase and pay taxes on, that can suddenly be declared illegal overnight; not by an elected member charged with creating laws, but by those who are only supposed to uphold the existing ones. Imagine the public outcry if the RCMP suddenly determined that PVC tubing was now prohibited to purchase,and that anyone who purchased and paid taxes to own any had to turn it all in for destruction or face jail time, all because they could be used to make a blow gun, which is already illegal.

Firearms owners are facing the erosion of their rights more and more as the days go by, despite being some of the most scrutinized and law abiding citizens in our country. We're already treated like second class citizens by having daily criminal background checks performed, and by being forced to forfeit our legally owned property or face jail time on a constant basis.

I'm hoping that you can use your voice to help put this to an end.

Sincerely,"
 
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