RCMP Pistol Trials
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I've fired around 1,000 rounds out of my friends 5946 and the trigger pull is definitely near 12lbs. I don't believe it is a good choice for aimed, accurate fire. Especially for shooters who may have limited finger strength or dexterity.
Perhaps "don't point your firearm at every person holding a stick" could be a new training regiment which would allow lighter trigger weights in issued duty pistols.
Perhaps "don't point your firearm at every person holding a stick" could be a new training regiment which would allow lighter trigger weights in issued duty pistols.
....Often a Police Officer, be it RCMP or other, is acting under extreme stress and with the adrenaline surging though the bloodstream, fine motor skills are out the window, thus a fairly heavy D/A trigger is mandated to compensate, in part, for this loss.... In the legal context ,the chances of a successful Civil Suite due to a negligent discharge is minimized..... Factor in the statistical figures, that most Police shootings, for the individual(Lone) officer occur at almost contact distances, and seldom involve more than a couple of shots and the heavy trigger makes sense, and lack of target accuracy at longer ranges becomes somewhat irrelevant.....David K
Yeah, actually, it's him.
As far as the trials to replace the Model 10 38 Special revolver, the gun that was rumoured to be chosen originally was the Beretta Model 92. The issue was that the 92 is not as amenable to small hands as the 5946, so someone thought it would be OK to run the 92FS and the 92M, then it was decided that a single stack and a dual stack, potentially in the same car, were not a good idea, so the 5946 was chosen.
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Lonesome Donkey
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Well, once they realized that the Roth-Steyr M1907 in 8mm was no longer in production, they were open to just about anything. 
It's an administrative decision made by someone who knows a lot about law but nothing about firearms, done to correct a training issue (ie those who can't figure out the whole finger off the trigger until ready to shoot thing).
lol
Ha!
Given that the RCMP is an arm of government, the fact that they have just spent 100's of thousands of dollars on new holsters for the 5946 makes it almost certain that that gun is about to be replaced.
....Well, actually there is a small (single stack) version of the 5946 out there on issue, sometimes disparagingly referred to as"The Barbie Gun" not many admittedly...David K
BlackWatch
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Well hopefully it's not the Beretta
I heard CBSA was going to pick their next pistol lol.
Lonesome Donkey
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Given that the RCMP is an arm of government, the fact that they have just spent 100's of thousands of dollars on new holsters for the 5946 makes it almost certain that that gun is about to be replaced.
Probably true. After all, it's only taxpayers dollars.
Perhaps they will choose a Canadian manufacturer to produce an inferior licensed copy of something, at 4 times the cost of just buying them.
Given that the RCMP is an arm of government, the fact that they have just spent 100's of thousands of dollars on new holsters for the 5946 makes it almost certain that that gun is about to be replaced.
It was before my time, maybe David K can confirm, but I heard from the revolver guys that that's what basically happened when they finally issued the retention holster for the revolver. Within a year or two, they switched to the 5946.
...Sorry but I can't recall exactly the time frame.But I think it was more incremental,starting with the "swivel" Flapped Brown(Sam Brown) Holster that tended to separate from the belt at the most inopportune moments (The"fix"for those that could,was to either get one of the older fixed holsters or wrap elastic bands around the swivel attachment so it did'd swivel and drop the gun out and less likely to separate entirely and clatter to the ground.Thenextstepwastodropthebrownflappedholsterfora black"basketweave"one with matching speed loader pouches,cuff case and a holster with a thumb break.The next step was to a"retention"holster(Safariland?)Being firmly secured to the belt and ridding a fraction higher, one always knew exactly where the revolver lay and close to hand, exposed to the elements though!....The next transition was to the Semi Auto Pistol and that meant a new holster and magazine pouches. That was probably around 1997/8 some were in the field prior to that for testing and evaluation.....I'd have to look at my old notebooks to find the exact date I personally transitioned, but I believe, my Unit was one of the first to fully switch in BC at least. ( A one week Course and qualification was required).....With the pistol, there were some personal preference/adjustments possible, IE the drop on the holster and the"offset", and the pistols grip/backstrap could also be changed out.....The RCMP has certainly changed over the years, slowly admittedly, but really the starting point for the Members traces back to the Burnaby Lakes Meetings in the later 70s...... David KIt was before my time, maybe David K can confirm, but I heard from the revolver guys that that's what basically happened when they finally issued the retention holster for the revolver. Within a year or two, they switched to the 5946.
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Ghost Snake
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There was an RCMP member (Dennis Strongquill) who was killed in line of duty near Russell, Manitoba on Dec. 21, 2001. A report I found on-ine said he was trapped inside his police cruiser after being rammed by the bad guys, and was unable to return fire because of a "malfunction" of his handgun. He was shot four times by a perp with a shotgun. I have not been able to find a report describing what was the malfunction? From date given above, he would have had a 5946. Anyone know what was the malfunction and how this issue was rectified?
STRONGQUILL was a lefty and all the newly issued 5946 were righty at the time. STRONGQUILL accidentally hit the mag release when he drew his pistol rendering it inoperable ( mag disconnect). Lefties have been issues lefty pistols since then.
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