Re-registered AR lower question

cr5 said:
Unfortunately if you have it registered as a complete rifle they expect you to turn over all the parts to make a complete rifle. Why not get rid of the possibility of them taking more than just the stripped receiver?

You're free to do whatever you want but there really is absolutely no reason not to change your registration over to receiver only. You can still legally use your rifle and you're free to swap in any upper or barrel you want.
Nothing to lose and everything to gain from my point of view.
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Not a difficult argument to make should it ever get to court. If the system could explain how unregulated parts like springs and pins somehow constitute being a "firearm" then I'm all ears. Until they deem all parts with and without a serial number that may or may not be part of a firearm as a firearm unto themselves then they really have no merit to stand on.

Oh, and the easy asnwer is "well I would have a complete rifle for you officer but I just sold all the parts last week. I meant to call the CFC and change the registration but I figured I legally have a month in which to inform the CFC but didn't see the need to rush it."
 
AB_blaster said:
Not a difficult argument to make should it ever get to court. If the system could explain how unregulated parts like springs and pins somehow constitute being a "firearm" then I'm all ears. Until they deem all parts with and without a serial number that may or may not be part of a firearm as a firearm unto themselves then they really have no merit to stand on.

Oh, and the easy asnwer is "well I would have a complete rifle for you officer but I just sold all the parts last week. I meant to call the CFC and change the registration but I figured I legally have a month in which to inform the CFC but didn't see the need to rush it."
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I guess the question is how much money are you willing to risk in court fighting this?
 
Here is the actual law as written. 4(1)(b) references 4(2)(b) addresses any rifle designs with multiple uppers.


Conditions
  • 4 (1) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar, within 30 days after the modification, of
    • (a) any modification to the firearm that results in a change of class of the firearm;
    • (b) in the case of a firearm registered as a frame or receiver only, any modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition;
    • (c) any modification to an altered automatic firearm; and
    • (d) any modification that results in the firearm ceasing to be a firearm.
  • (2) Subject to section 5, the Registrar shall attach to a registration certificate that is issued in respect of a firearm the condition that when the type, action, calibre or gauge of the firearm is modified, the holder of the certificate shall advise the Registrar of the modification,
    • (a) if the modification is intended to be permanent, within 30 days after the modification; and
    • (b) if the modification is not intended to be permanent but still exists 30 days after it is made, without delay after that period.
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So this thread prompted me to go look at my registrations for all the lowers I bough from SFRC and they all have a barrel length indicated. Should I make sfrc correct that or just do it myself? I have no uppers (not with barrels anyway) and never did. I locked them all and put them in the safe so hey Dont massacre anyone nonetheless.
 
randyhub said:
So if you remove one of your uppers after a day shooting it is not permanent.
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But does assembling a lower constitute a "modification that makes it capable of discharging ammunition"? That's a pretty grey area.

lj007 said:
So this thread prompted me to go look at my registrations for all the lowers I bough from SFRC and they all have a barrel length indicated. Should I make sfrc correct that or just do it myself? I have no uppers (not with barrels anyway) and never did. I locked them all and put them in the safe so hey Dont massacre anyone nonetheless.
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That's strange, why would SFRC do that?
 
CdnCombatMedic said:
I would say yes because they have different designations between a stripped and complete lower.
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So an AR can be registered as bare receiver, complete receiver and then firearm with x barrel lenght? Yet is always considered and treated all the same, a restricted.

That's so retarded.
 
hbean said:
Here is the actual law as written. 4(1)(b) references 4(2)(b) addresses any rifle designs with multiple uppers.
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Right. 30 days to inform them of a change. Who knows when the upper was sold or attached? On a side note you are not required to notify thsm if you change barrel lengths/uppers.
 
cr5 said:
You would think so wouldn't you but you'd also be wrong. If it is registered as a complete firearm they will take the complete rifle, if you try to hand them just the receiver they will ask again for the rest of it before arresting you and getting a warrant to search your house.
I know a guy who witnessed this happen at a shop, when the police came for an owners rifle and he tried to pass off just the lower receiver. I don't have the particulars on why they were confiscating the rifle but it was registered as a complete rifle and the police would not accept the lower alone.
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completely WRONG the lower is the only part considered the firearm.and the ONLY part they could get their grubby hands on,oh,,they'll try to bully a person on it,but they would loose that case in a hurry.what you're freind witnessed was cop trying to bully the guy,he can say he sold off the parts,and there's NOTHING they can do about it,their stupid laws can go both ways sometimes,all my AR's a registered as lowers,
 
Wiskey1 said:
can't disscharge #### without an upper.LOL
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That's what it comes down to, and that's why a totally stripped lower and a complete lower are registered as exactly the same thing: "frame/receiver only". Until it's attached to a complete upper, the complete lower is a paper weight. I can't believe how badly some people here seem to want to invent and worry about pointless scenarios that have no basis in reality.
 
lj007 said:
So this thread prompted me to go look at my registrations for all the lowers I bough from SFRC and they all have a barrel length indicated. Should I make sfrc correct that or just do it myself? I have no uppers (not with barrels anyway) and never did. I locked them all and put them in the safe so hey Dont massacre anyone nonetheless.
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I had same issue. Had two lowers i bought from SFRC. One was complete lower and other was stripped. Both came with barrel lengths on registration. Both are NEA's as I assume yours are too. I had to call in to RCMP and get them changed to "receivers only" once I noticed after completing the stripped one. Just explain you just noticed the error on registration and that you bought it as a stripped lower only.

From what I've read, it sounds like NEA had lots of lowers registered as complete rifles before being bought out by BCL then never changed the registrations on their end before just selling them as lowers only once BCL decided not to complete the builds.
 
GD7 said:
That's what it comes down to, and that's why a totally stripped lower and a complete lower are registered as exactly the same thing: "frame/receiver only". Until it's attached to a complete upper, the complete lower is a paper weight. I can't believe how badly some people here seem to want to invent and worry about pointless scenarios that have no basis in reality.
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Well said.

Without an upper, the lower cannot discharge ammunition.
 
I called RCMP with questions today(after 22 minutes on hold) I purchased a stripped lower, it is now a completed lower. They apologize for the wait and my time waisted but I am only to notify them when I have a barrel length to register with it. I have a stripped upper now waiting for a barrel.
 
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