re: "sniper rifles"

[Polar Man]

.338 lapua and 50bmg are not "sniper" rounds?
We all know "sniper rifle" has become a popular term directly proportional to the popularity of COD, and when airsoft kids are sad they can't hit their friends with a plastic bb from like really far away they come here. They are welcome to learn and enjoy the sport but leave the kiddie stuff at home, please.
We do not use the term sniper rifle because it is reserved for those that have earned the right to use it, i.e. military snipers and idiotic reporters.
And please, proper punctuation.

 

[Backwoods]

Hey bullzeye , have you noticed there is no "Assault Rifle" forum either ? The antis are all over this forum , and maybe you're one of them . You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating .

We all know exactly what kind of rifles , optics and gear we have and we use it for long range precision shooting because it's our sport , our hobby and we'd like to protect it . The antis would love to lift posts if we gave them the ammunition , damn .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of shooting down satellites and the rest of the red neck snipers practising for Red Dawn 2 .

I'm not a sniper and have never played one on tv , but you're very wrong thinking that my .308 is not a precision rifle , "in it's class" . Is it your opinion that only the calibers you selected are precision calibers ? Who the hell gave you that authority ? We have marksmen on here that could shoot the fuzz off a bumblebees azz at 600 yards with a .223 , and according to you , that isn't precision ? You tell me that my .308 is only meant to hit targets and not shoot groups . Damn , you got things to learn son . If you can't shoot tight groups then you're relying on dumb luck to hit that target at extended ranges .In dead calm if you're shooting 8 foot groups at 1,000 then good luck in the full bore , F-Class or tactical match because you only have luck to rely on .

Everyone interested in longer range precision rifles is welcome no matter what discipline or style they like to shoot and if this was a sniper forum for those with sniper rifles , hell , i don't know if anyone here was an actual sniper with an actual sniper rifle but i'd imagine that there would be no more than 2 or 3 members .

The terms 'sniper' and 'sniper rifles' brings the instant impression of killing human beings at extended ranges , and we don't do that , hell , a lot of men on here don't even hunt . You go put your Mark Wahlberg movie in the DVD player and get over to youtube to watch Marine Corp Scout/Sniper vids and you could be a qualified sniper with a sniper rifle in less than a full afternoon .


I have several semi's that would be of a military flavor but i don't own an assault rifle . I own several shotguns but i don't own a shottie just because that's a faggy word , and it's all about words and impressions left . I can only , with horror , imagine a man prancing around in pink spandex pants with his shottie . Mine are shotguns or scatterguns and i'd throw them in the lake before i'd refer to them as a shottie and have folks question my ###ual orientation .

When you grow some whiskers you come on back and talk to the men , but it's like this junior , you learn more from listening than you do talking and you'll find that the men here aren't too high on new kids with an attitude so you go on back in the field and shoot your sniper rifle , hell , you can buy a ghillie suit on ebay .

I wish you would have wrote another full paragraph so you could have stood a chance to get at least one thing right .


Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .

Laughed my A?? off! Wicked!

 

[skypilot]

im gonna try up load a picture from 2 weeks ago. I shot a 5 shot group that happend to be 4 inches at 965 yards with my 7rem mag.

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff482/pilot200

my first 2 shots were a little erratic. But once I doped my wind the center group if you zoom in is 4 shots almost touching... then one dropped. My Girl friend actually fired one of the top 4 shots... im not trying to be a D*ck, she really did. I measured that at a solid 5 shot 4 inch group 965 yard, again with my 7 rem mag and a 180gr berger. Boom Head Shot ! is that precicion enough for you ?

Thats a 12 inch by 12 inch plate

if you cut then paste the link for the pic into the address bar it seems to work. link not working when i click it for some reason.

Nice shooting no doubt, but not a head shot, try 10", and definetly not in the apricot

 

[Avalonthas]

My understanding of the terms in my own mind are

Hunting Rifle or Target Rifle - Your general stock rifle, basic components for most intents and purposes, for hunting or shooting paper. Can be used interchangeably with the shorter verbiage of simply a "Rifle"

Precision Rifle - Firearm specifically built for precision shooting, to get the tightest groups possible. For all intents and purposes a bunch of fancy upgrades beyond your traditional hunting or target rifle (stock, bedding, trigger, barrel, etc). Primarily a term applied to civilian shooters.

Sniper Rifle - Firearm very much the same as a precision rifle (perhaps not as fancy as were spending government dollars here). But for all intents and purposes its a very accurate rifle for long range shooting, can take some abuse, and is used by a trained professional who has the skills, knowledge, and ability to make lethal shots count inclusive of the rifle, weather, and other inclement conditions. Primarily a term associated with military/police professionals.

Tactical Rifle - A rifle designed to be used tactically in specific environments, is purpose suited (Close quarters, etc depending on the purpose). It is rugged and can withstand some abuse and meet the needs of the purpose. Your typical AR15 platform is a primary example.

 

[Ar180shooter]

"Sniper rifle" carries a lot of baggage that is not relevant to non Police and Military personnel. Basically, it is a loaded term. A sniper rifle is a precision rifle created for a specific application, which is unrelated to the discussion on this forum.

 

[Bottledwater]

You don't come here and tell us how to run things newbie with zero trader rating.

Now get back in your own lane newbie and mind your manners .

I only see one person here who needs a lesson on manners, and its not the OP. Generally quite interesting when you see someone online who claims that hes better and smarter than everyone else because of how many times hes hit the "reply" button. Im sure theres some sort of personality disorder which covers that sort of issue.

I in some ways agree with the OP, people who come on here asking about "sniper rifles" shouldent be destoryed like they usually are. We all understand what is being requested, and after one person makes a comment that the term "sniper rifle" isnt necessarily accurate, there isnt really a requirement to make a 5 page thread of responses about it instead of just answering the guys question.

On the other hand I disagree with using the term "sniper rifle" as an accurate discription of what those on the forum are looking for.

The dictionary (marriam-webster) definition of "sniper" is as follows:

Sniper: to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage

the definition for "rifle" is also noted:

Rifle: a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore


While "sniper rifle" is not listed, by combining the two definitions we have what follows...

Sniper Rifle: a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore used to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage


Therefore, unless you are intending to shoot at people...the rifles listed in this forum will always be precision, or even tactical rifles.

 

[skrypnyk]

Therefore, unless you are intending to shoot at people...the rifles listed in this forum will always be precision, or even tactical rifles.

Bottledwater, according to your own Webster Dic.

"Tactical" = of or relating to combat tactics: as a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront <a tactical defense> <a tactical first strike> (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles>

Rifle: a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore

So using the same formula

A Tactical Rifle would be a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore used for combat tactics or employed at the battlefront.

So should stop using that term as well? I am earnestly wondering, the answer may be yes, but as stated in my previous post, we should just embrace the term,

 

[pilot2001]

Nice shooting no doubt, but not a head shot, try 10", and definetly not in the apricot

If i had the cross hairs on a deer or an elks nose that would be a headshot. Although thats not a shot i would personally take. I do apreciate the comment and fead back .However my point might have bin missed a little. i was just trying to prove to Bullzeye that our " Long Range Hunting Rifles" are very precise and are very easily capable of the "groups" that he "would Like to see " ... and yes i enjoy my rifles and they are not for killing people. They are tools of sport and gathering. As well as a part of most of our families history and i would like to keep them that way.

I agree people need to loosen up. But as other members have already posted, the people that dont want us to have guns want to call them weapons or "sniper Rifles" so they can take them away. So for the love of the sport and the tools the terms " LRH or long range hunter " or " precision rifle " will do just fine. Exspecially since, unless your military or police ... your not in the buisness of killing people :/


... Didnt see bottledwaters post , Nice work ! Thank you !

 

[MagnumPeanut]

"Sniper rifle" carries a lot of baggage that is not relevant to non Police and Military personnel. Basically, it is a loaded term. A sniper rifle is a precision rifle created for a specific application, which is unrelated to the discussion on this forum.

Short and simple, no ones feelings need to get hurt.

 

[atr]

Some of you guys take good natured banter awful seriously . Must have a knot in your thong . If the new guy wants to put stickers and decals all over his Hyundai and call it a NASCAR , well , he can just do that . Hell he can go drive his Hyundai at Talladega and call himself a NASCAR driver , but he ain't and his Hyundai ain't no NASCAR . You can put lipstick on a pig , and it's still a pig . Low speed , high drag , send it . How about that Magpul DVD set ? Was that called 'The Art Of The Precision Rifle" or was that called , 'The Art Of The Sniper Rifle' ? I'm not asking for a review , i'm asking for the name 'cause you'd think that Magpul would get it right . What was the name ... ?

 

[Bottledwater]

Bottledwater, according to your own Webster Dic.

"Tactical" = of or relating to combat tactics: as a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront <a tactical defense> <a tactical first strike> (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles>

Rifle: a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore

So using the same formula

A Tactical Rifle would be a shoulder weapon with a rifled bore used for combat tactics or employed at the battlefront.

So should stop using that term as well? I am earnestly wondering, the answer may be yes, but as stated in my previous post, we should just embrace the term,

Your right on the definition of tactical, however I would argue that the term tactical rifle does apply in some cases on this forum. Things such as rifle groupings and target practice are often done using tactics. And as rifles such as the 700 SPS police, and other varients are developed using tactical theory, this would make them fall into that category. Tactics are a theory of practice and intent, the term "sniper" is a specific use.

 

[Tikka223]

"Sniper rifle" carries a lot of baggage that is not relevant to non Police and Military personnel. Basically, it is a loaded term. A sniper rifle is a precision rifle created for a specific application, which is unrelated to the discussion on this forum.

This thread is getting pretty entertaining! It's all symantics really but I think the above post it's bang-on.

Call it what you will but some people react differently to different terms. There's a reason they started using the term "collateral damage" instead of woods we missed and killed some civilians and blew up a hospital.

You say sniper and someone knows exactly what you mean. When I tell people I like precision shooting they will likely perk their ears an say "what's that?" and then I can explain that it's not about being a wanna-be ninja but rather it's a good way for me to let out my inner perfectionist.

My two cents ...

 

[thunderstruck]

This thread is getting pretty entertaining! It's all symantics really but I think the above post it's bang-on.

Call it what you will but some people react differently to different terms. There's a reason they started using the term "collateral damage" instead of woods we missed and killed some civilians and blew up a hospital.

You say sniper and someone knows exactly what you mean. When I tell people I like precision shooting they will likely perk their ears an say "what's that?" and then I can explain that it's not about being a wanna-be ninja but rather it's a good way for me to let out my inner perfectionist.

My two cents ...

I agree

 

[danager]

Can we just agree, when you see a question about a "sniper rifle", do not treat it as an open invitation to attack that person? We all need to be educated, and that can be handled with some diplomacy and tact. It is nice to see, despite the number of experts roaming these halls, this is just like every other forum on the internet. When a question is asked, or a comment made (by somebody with a low post count), there are more replies critiquing the OP than there are addressing the question.

This is a sport/hobby/profession that benefits from positive PR, so those who are negative hurt everybody.

I am new to this as well, and realize the value of choosing my words carefully. Thanks to the OP, who had the courage to bring up a topic, which create such dialogue.

 

[SoBored]

Simply put a "Sniper Rifle" is a rifle used by a sniper. Unless you are a sniper, you do not own a sniper rifle.

You can call it a anything from "Tactical Rifle" to "Charlene", I don't care, but calling it a sniper rifle is not correct.

Why take such offense to it anyway?

 

[nemesisincanada]

I love these threads.

 

[mareshow]

My interpretation of what the OP is saying makes a lot of sense. This forum is here because we are trying to further our sport/hobby. So attacking a guy or "going after" him because he used an incorrect term seems a bit unhelpful doesn't it?

We're here as a group so why not act like one? So yeah sure a guy used the wrong term or said something pretty dumb, wouldn't the better approach be politely correct him and tell him why? After all isn't it the brash quick to anger approach the one that's getting us labelled anyways?

I'm pretty new myself but I think it would be the wiser to be friend to the new recruits and get more people into it. Because after all when we're the majority it'll be hard for the government to tell us no.

 

[ChickenTikka]

Can we just agree, when you see a question about a "sniper rifle", do not treat it as an open invitation to attack that person? We all need to be educated, and that can be handled with some diplomacy and tact. It is nice to see, despite the number of experts roaming these halls, this is just like every other forum on the internet. When a question is asked, or a comment made (by somebody with a low post count), there are more replies critiquing the OP than there are addressing the question.

This is a sport/hobby/profession that benefits from positive PR, so those who are negative hurt everybody.

I am new to this as well, and realize the value of choosing my words carefully. Thanks to the OP, who had the courage to bring up a topic, which create such dialogue.

Welcome to the Club

If you think you've been dogged, Browse my thread regarding Sniper Rifle

 

[yodave]

Some of you are right, and most of you are wrong.

In the great scheme of things the truth of the matter is that precision rifles and sniper rifles both exsist, and both are tools used for a specific purpose, and this is what sets them apart and makes them different.

Presicion rifles are more accurate then sniper rifles, that is fact right there. Sniper rifles are designed to throw lead at a 18 inch wide target at various ranges and the for the purpose of disposal, now on the other hand precision rifles are designed to stack bullets one on top of them into a small target at know different ranges, so if you want to limit your abilities by shooting a sniper rifle in a precision match I might pay your entrance fees so you can go home with your tail between your legs.

He who shoots a sniper rifle in a precision match will not win, eduacate with facts people, and bring a new shooter out to the range and show them the difference, shooting 5 shots into one hole becomes addictive, shooting 18 inch steel plates all over hells acres gets boring.

 

[Lee Enfield]

Hmmn,
I actually collect "sniping rifles", 99% of the rifles in this forum are "target rifles".

Most "sniping rifles" are not accurate enough to be "target rifles", and certainly are not "precision rifles".

Some "sniping rifles" were "target rifles" which were inducted into the sniping role due to their availability and accuracy.

Some "precision rifles" have been used as "sniping rifles" for the same reasons.

Taking a MN 91/30 and installing an original scope and mount does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Taking a PH 1200 TX and putting a Kahles 6x ZF-69 on it does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Taking a Rem 700, installing a Mike Rock barrel, modified Win 70 steel bottom metal, an Unertyl 10x and a McMillan stock, does not make it a "sniping rifle".

Having said that, alot of the guys in this thread have done just that and called it a "sniper rifle"....