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OK, let's have at it. Seems this board is run by a bunch of kids with no concept of reloading unless it comes out of the press at 300+ rnds@hr. Or they buy cheap crap by the crate.

So, lets show them how a wildcat forum would quickly out post, oh, say, the "edged tools and weapons" forum. What the hell a forum such as that has to do with guns, I'll never know. Seein' as how it only has 48 posts it should be relatively easy to out post. Then we can take it over! :twisted:

So, I'll go first. About a year ago I bought a custom gun built on a 1903 springfeild action. It's chambered in .219 Donalson Wasp. I have not spent anywhere near enough time playing with it and so far my best group has been only about 1/2". One thing I am having a problem with is case length. There is a lot of conflicting data as to the proper length and from what I understand there were many chambers cut with various neck lengths. I guess i will have to have a cast made of my chamber, unless someone knows some other trick to find what length best suits my gun. Once I get a little more familiar with this rifle, I look forward to trying some of the new powders that are available since most of the load data around is many decades old.

I hope I'm not being too technical for the "pour the ammo into the gun with a funnel" crowd! :wink: :D The .219 wasp was originally a 219 zipper case necked down and shortened. Zipper brass is obsolete, so 30-30 is the prefered brass today. I have made it out of 375winchester also. Talk about a lot of brass being moved!

So, who's next? Oh, post whoring is OK also as it is in many other forums here. :D
 
well Joe , I think my next projext will run a 6.5x284T on a remmy 700 action and gailard sporter barrel for hunting and varmints, maybe a jewel trigger , I relise the 6.5x284 is no longer a wildcat but the 6.5x284 Tight or Match is still a wildcat and watching the 5" groups @ 1000 yards is pretty amazing cartridge by all means
 
I'm IN. Favorite wildcat so far is 280AI on Sako action, Gaillard barrel. Close to 7 rem mag numbers and very accurate. Next favorite is 223 AI on winchester action, amazed at how fast this little bastard is and damn accurate too! Don't understand why more varmint shooters don't shoot this round, I know that the powder capacity on paper is increased very little but it sure seems to wake this round up! Also had a 243 AI and have to admit was disappointed with it, very little gain. Its gone now. Next project , hopefully, will be a 6.5 X 55 improved of some sort for long range.
 
One thing I am having a problem with is case length. There is a lot of conflicting data as to the proper length and from what I understand there were many chambers cut with various neck lengths. I guess i will have to have a cast made of my chamber, unless someone knows some other trick to find what length best suits my gun. Once I get a little more familiar with this rifle,

Check out Sinclair International. They have case length gauges to help determine chamber length. However, you will have to cut 1 piece of brass short at the neck. I used a case length guage to determine that the chamber length for my 308 win was 2.040".

later,
Terry Perkins
 
Well I'm toying around with the idea of an old(er) 30/30 wildcat of sorts. I've got a nice stevens in 30/30 that puts every round into about an inch at 100 yards - with open sights. I really like the rifle as it is very nice and light but would like just a bit more velocity from it - now for the good part!

I have read and seen lots about the 30/30 AI but I'm looking to do a bit more. Question is what else is out there that will do a bit more especially in a stevens action - 1 front lug and one rear lug - too much bolt thrust and I'd be getting shiny new false teeth!

Anyhow the thing shoots damn good so I'm not really looking for a rebarrel - just an up chamber of sorts. Willing to get it magna-futz'd or what ever.

Any and all - hopefully more than just the AI - ideas would be great.

Thanks, my contribution to the 'new' forum.

Mike
 
joe-nwt said:
Next? What wilcat's do you now shoot, if you don't mind my asking?

.338-06

Once a wildcat adopted and legitimized by A-Square and Weatherby who then dropped it afer a year or so!

Today I guess it would more akin to a domestic cat gone feral! ;) LoL
 
I am interested in one of the older 7mm's. Although 7mm-08 AI would be a cool cartridge. But I am getting ahead of myself here. Right now I am having enough problems loading my 7X57 to get good groups :cry:

Jacky
 
joe-nwt said:
Next? What wilcat's do you now shoot, if you don't mind my asking?

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Joe, I thought you were jumping on the bandwagon and making fun of wilcats too.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Here's my list:

.17/222 rem mag
.223 Ackley Imp
6mm-284
.257 Rob AI
6.5-06 AI
.280 AI
.30 Gibbs
.308-8mm mag IMP
.358 STA

Gatehouse bought my .22/250 AI :cry:
 
Just one my 35 Whelen AI. Some people don't consider the AI as a wildcat, if you don't think so see how much dies are for them. :shock:
 
Silverback said:
Just one my 35 Whelen AI. Some people don't consider the AI as a wildcat, if you don't think so see how much dies are for them. :shock:

I consider Ackley Improved to be a wildcat. In fact the .35 whelan itself started out a wildcat and may slip back there some day once ammo ceases to be produced.

I think alot of people on the board don't even realize the definition of wildcat. Seems they don't realize most cartidges were wildcats in some way shape or form. Take for example the 80 year old .270 winchester from 30/06 or that allmost every belted magnum factory cartridge is a conformed H & H case or the beloved .17 HMR a necked down .22 WMR.
 
Ultramag said:
joe-nwt said:
Next? What wilcat's do you now shoot, if you don't mind my asking?

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Joe, I thought you were jumping on the bandwagon and making fun of wilcats too.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Not in the least! I asked for this forum back when the board was "reborn".
Problem seems to be when the crowd in control thinks "ammo" they think Walmart! :roll: They have no idea the satisfaction derived from crafting something different from everyone else.

So lets keep this going til they buckle under.

Next favorite is 223 AI on winchester action, amazed at how fast this little bastard is and damn accurate too! Don't understand why more varmint shooters don't shoot this round, I know that the powder capacity on paper is increased very little but it sure seems to wake this round up!

Hey Back40sniper, what kind of results did you get? Can you post some figures? I have an A-bolt composite stalker in .223 that shoots pretty decent and have been mulling that over for some time. I talked with PGW Steve a while back, they have the reamer and think I'm gonna take it down to Manitoba when I go deer hunting this year.
 
Hey, I forgot my other "cats" ! :shock:

I've also owned a 7tcu barrel for my contenders for some time, and I just picked up a 6.5tcu barrel at Elwood Eps when I was at Nationals. 8)

So now I'm in the market for 6.5tcu dies, if anybody has any let me know.
 
303 Epps is as far as I have gone in that direction.
I think the chamber cast is the right way to go on the Wasp Joe. Then you know what you really have.
Of course if you were to chamber an untrimmed formed case, you might be able to read the chamber neck length from it. A bit rube goldberg but maybe.
 
Man ultramag you shoot some cool calibers
:oops: :oops:
I have a 700/223AI almost home & a 700/250AI in the workz (gathering parts)
I forgot to mention I have a real barnburnner in the works right now too.

.224 Clarke on the roberts case, in a fast twist (1-7") Capable of 3600 fps plus with 80 gr. Berger's. :shock: :shock:

I should mention anyone that post's on this topic could borrow the reamer. :lol:
I would really like to hear more on the .30 gibbs and the 308-8mm mag IMP
The gibbs is a .30/06 case with a very short neck. The shoulder pushed ahead a fare bit and blown out to 35 degree's.

There is actually a few .308-8mm floating around. A gunsmith took a 7STW ackley reamer and ran it into a .308 barrel. He has a bit of a goffy name for it. My barrel is stamped "the BIG 30" The neck is also quite short but the case is as improved as most dare to go. The case is very similar to the .300 Jarret and bigger than a .300 WBY.
 
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