Real German K98 Sniper scope and mount? - EDIT DEC 19 - NEW PICS!

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Be careful about buying the scopes with the claws soldered on to them.
Your would be looking at lots of money to a REAL gunsmith who can cut , grind, silver solder the Claw bases which are not included, and re-blue the rifle.
Figure $1000+ if he knows his stuff. Base have to be meticulously aligned.
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This one didn't appear to me soldered in any way
 
Here's the only other picture of the same scope I could find online!

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The rifle was being auctioned off. It's called an "Engraved Hermann Weihrauch Marked Custom Pre-War Model 98 Bolt Action Rifle with Scope". The rifle and scope sold for $3500 USD.

Here are two scopes being listed as WWII sniper scopes with the supposedly original scope cases:
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wwii-german-sniper-scope-tricertar-c-p-goerz-berlin

This site lists it as WWI vintage:
http://www.militaria.qc.ca/german/world-war-1.html
 
if you want to see pictures of a short side rail mount ,googlr Swedish sniper rifle . there will be lots of 96s with that mount.
 
Well I have to go back to Quesnel tomorrow morning for another doctor's appointment so I'll stop in and take more pictures of the scope and mount
 
Drache, after some searching I found this reference to Carl Zeiss manufacturing variable riflescopes in 1922:

From the corporate Zeiss website:

"Milestones established by the company include two hunting riflescopes with variable magnification in 1922: the ZEISS Zielmulti and Zielmultar"

http://corporate.zeiss.com/history/en_au/technical-milestones/riflescopes.html

Here is another reference to the Zeiss scopes fromGunbroker http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?topic_id=179593:

"Variables evolved: the Zielmulti 1-4X and Zielmultar 1-6X. Though optically excellent, these scopes were heavy and had small fields of view."

My thinking is that as Goerz was a Zeiss competitor they came out with their own version. I have seen a sister Goerz scope only a few serial numbers apart offered for sale that was mounted on a hunting rifle so I believe the scope in question is not military but a hunting scope.
 
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Ok so Variable scopes were available before 1930.

Now I have heard talk of Germany asking for "high power" civilian scopes from their people to be used. But yes, odds are this scope was not used for any military action even IF it was made before or during the War which no one can figure out definitively.

But thanks for finding out that tidbit at least!

FYI I read in a book that a Goerz scope was actually tested for the M1903 Springfield during WWI!
 
drache said:
Ok so Variable scopes were available before 1930.

Now I have heard talk of Germany asking for "high power" civilian scopes from their people to be used. But yes, odds are this scope was not used for any military action even IF it was made before or during the War which no one can figure out definitively.

But thanks for finding out that tidbit at least!

FYI I read in a book that a Goerz scope was actually tested for the M1903 Springfield during WWI!
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Goerz had a commercial 4x or 6x Certar which I believe might have been pressed into service by Imperial Germany in WW1. While rsearching for Tricertar references, I came across photos of the 4x/6x Certar on a German 98 rifle. I'm assuming this was a Gew 98.

I don't think by 'prewar' in the auction sale they meant the scope was pre WW1. I believe they were referring to the Hermann Weihrauch rifle which I believe in the RIA Auction list was made prior to WW1 or perhaps by 'prewar' they mean pre WW2.

Its still is an interesting scope. BTW on the RIA Auction, the Hermann Weihrauch 98 rifle with scope sold for approximately $2500 USD in 2010.
 
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I'm starting to wonder if the mount is actually real and not a fake. The numbers stamped into the mount seem redundant for a reproduction no?

And obviously something is missing because what would the mount actually attach to on the rifle with those teeth?
 
The scope and mount were stated as being off a vet bring back. Probably bullsh*t but I was offered a deal, the scope and mount fr $230 taxes included and they also knocked $14 off their last two boxes and included the taxes as well on those.
 
Well if the optics are good and you can mount it ...why not go for it. Its really interesting scope even if its not military.

Do a retro hunting rifle set up.
 
Pretty sure that's a Jackenroll side mount. A very good quality commercial side mount. You need a base with the serrations to match that "toothed clamp" which is designed to allow you to position the mount exactly where you want it for your eye relief. Nothing military about this, but thousands and thousands of sporting rifles were gathered up in Germany at the end of WWII and brought back by vets. Very similar mount type made by EAW until quite recently. The scope is a pretty rare model for Goerz, late 20s probably. They made very good stuff indeed. As you can see the scope is not properly fitted to the mount, but worth what you paid if you like old scopes. Optically many of these scopes are still very comparable to what is out there today. I've had Zeiss Zeilviers from the early 1920s that were fantastically good glasses. Great scope for a classic rifle; nothing looks worse than a new scope on a classic rifle IMO. Not only does it look weird, it's just not necessary. The classic scopes are perfectly good enough for what 99.99% of shooters do. Post a photo of the range markings on the dial when you get a chance please.
 
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