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That's great. Now the posturing begins. What will it be next?
Don't talk about what antis think until you've fought them in court. They couldn't care less how safely you handle firearms. They just want them gone.
No one was making reference to battles of the classes. I know how to handle firearms. I wouldn't own what I do if I didn't.
Those guys ain't buyin guns, they are playing around with some very nice lookin pieces from peoples collections, i just hope the owners gave permission.
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canucklehead
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You're saying you've NEVER - EVER - EVER dry fired a rifle in your life?! Never dropped the hammer on an empty chamber? EVER?
You're saying you've NEVER - EVER - EVER dry fired a rifle in your life?! Never dropped the hammer on an empty chamber? EVER?
I have dry fired almost every firearm I have ever touched. I made sure they were safe every time I did so. Every time I have had my photo taken with firearms I make sure to keep my finger off the trigger.
I think you're missing the point here, the point is not expressly that their fingers are on the trigger in a potentially dangerous situation. I am sure those rifles were all cleared and demonstrated safe to those men before they were allowed to handle them. The problem is that these men are posing with the rifles with their fingers on the trigger which shows a cavalier attitude towards gun safety, which is what breeds dangerous situations such as assuming a firearm is unloaded.
I don't fault anyone for dry firing but I can not ever remember being in a situation where I was photographed doing it.
For everyone getting their panties in a bunch lets get a few things straight.
1. These are cadets, they are students, and likely have not even completed the weapons portion of their BOMQ.
2. The fact that it is a photograph doesn't mean ####, they aren't out to prove anything to anybody, they knew the weapons were safe.
3. The weapons are pointed in safe directions.
As for the guy with the weird beret, yes he is a foreign officer.
1. These are cadets, they are students, and likely have not even completed the weapons portion of their BOMQ.
2. The fact that it is a photograph doesn't mean ####, they aren't out to prove anything to anybody, they knew the weapons were safe.
3. The weapons are pointed in safe directions.
As for the guy with the weird beret, yes he is a foreign officer.
Acually YOU were the one who started the posturing!
It will once an Accident happens due to one not minding safe handling.
"Flip my PAL around sometime if we ever meet. I like the way guys like you open their eyes wide when they read what's there."
Oh really so what did you mean by this^^^? "Flip my PAL around"
And on a further note if google is right you're a real estate agent.
Acually YOU were the one who started the posturing!
It will once an Accident happens due to one not minding safe handling.
"Flip my PAL around sometime if we ever meet. I like the way guys like you open their eyes wide when they read what's there."
Oh really so what did you mean by this^^^? "Flip my PAL around"
And on a further note if google is right you're a real estate agent.
Well google isn't right. And you're the one who started this by attacking me for testing the trigger of a firearm in a gun store. The rifle had been checked at least twice that it was unloaded and it was pointed in a safe direction when I tried it out. You've made it clear that you think that's dangerous and that borders on hysteria. If you're that afraid of firearms then find some other hobby.
There are a number of people here who have you on their ignore list. I've tried to reason with you. I wouldn't even pretend to tell some of the people here how to handle firearms because they have a lot more experience than I do and I respect that. You don't.
'K...so how did you get info from google??? from his CGN handle??? I'm just curious is all, I'll try it on my own handle and see what comes up. Holy Sh1t!.....so how does one "clean" out one's post?
Holy Sh1t!.....so how does one "clean" out one's post?'K...so how did you get info from google??? from his CGN handle??? I'm just curious is all, I'll try it on my own handle and see what comes up.
He posted his name in a post on the last page.
"clean" out one's post???
I am amazed this conversation has gone past: "Yep those guys sure have their fingers on the triggers of those guns, that is a possibly dangerous situation and it's bad form to be having your picture taken like that, but I am sure that they were proved safe before that and nothing serious happened."
To: "WELL I WAS A SOLDIER AND I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GUNS AND WE HAD OUR FINGERS ON THE TRIGGER ALL THE TIME IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER YOU HATE GUNS AND FREEDOM."
To: "WELL I WAS A SOLDIER AND I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GUNS AND WE HAD OUR FINGERS ON THE TRIGGER ALL THE TIME IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER YOU HATE GUNS AND FREEDOM."
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A point to remember, guys: history IS important.
Remember back when the FAC first came out? Likely most of you don't. I do: I was running a newspaper at that time. Originally, it was supposed to cost you 10 bucks and it was touted as good for life. Then the thing came out.... at 10 bucks, but with a time limit. And then the "costs" of the thing were going to be "rated" depending upon what you owned or wanted to own. For a while, it was going to be 50 bucks for Restricted (handguns and restricted rifles, which, at that time, was the FAL and the M-1 Carbine) and it was going to be 100 for FA. Ther was talk of adding up all the "costs" and talk of repeating them annually. I worked it out that it would have cost me better than $300 a year for my FAC..... and money was worth 5 times as much then. Converted Autos were not even mentioned, as they now were classed as semi-autos or as straight-pulls or as single-shots, whichever the "de-automaticking process" had rendered the poor things; I originally took care of that part with the Attorney-General of Newfoundland but Trudeau and his lackeys "tightened it up" for us.
Let's face it: we were going to be made into yet another tax base for the clowns in Ottawa to waste and plunder...... or is that plunder and waste..... sometimes I'm not sure. Anyway, an escalating scale WAS in the plans but even the Liberals could see that that just would make them FAR too many enemies. Too bad they realised that so late.
Now as to "qualifications" for getting the FAC. Originally, the "test" had not yet been invented. When it came along, I had to take it. Now, I ALREADY had firearms safety in Scouts, in Cadets, in the Militia AND I held the Shooter's Federation of Canada Firearms Safety Instructor's qualification with a mark of 100+ out of 100 points. As well, I had taken the Newfoundland Government's test. So I was qualified by one system or another with everything from a Cooey Canuck up to and including a .30 Browning, an FAL, Lee-Enfield Number 4 and 7 and, just for good measure, the 76.2mm Master Weapon on a Firefly, which happens to put out 1.98 MILLION ft/lbs ME per shot. I was qualified to hunt, gun on a tank, be a range officer for the Army or coach a team for the Olympics. But I had no pretty pieces of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APPROVED paper, so I had to take the dreaded test.
I VERY nearly failed that one because I ASSUMED that loading a dummy round (with a bloody great hole drilled through it and no primer) into a rifle with the boltface welded solid, the firing-pin snapped off and a half-inch hole through the receiver ring and the chamber likely should not require first removing the bolt and gazing through the barrel to check for bore obstructions...... which was supposed to be done EVERY time the rifle was loaded. Hey, just TRY shooting a target string.... or a deer..... if you have to remove the bolt between shots!
What I discovered in that "test" had very little to do with safe firearms handling... and a HUGE amount to do with political correctness and sheer INDOCTRINATION, all the while instilling an atmosphere of FEAR and UNCERTAINTY. But that's how the Government of that time wanted us: brainwashed, afraid and unsure which side was even "up".... today. Tomorrow it might change.
You don't have to memorise and quote to the world the 4 Fs or the 5 Ws or the 37 Safe Rules of Handling in order to point a PROVEN EMPTY firearm at a light fixture, EVEN with (shock! shock! terror!) your finger on the trigger.
How ELSE do you learn the actual handling of a firearm...... as opposed to the put-it-in-a-glass-case-and-admire-the-thing-timidly-from-a-distance school of Government-approved practice?????????
The Government course is not the ONLY recipe for safe handling; it is simply the only one which the Government made up in order to raise the cost of firearms ownership. That course was designed by police and politicians and (mostly) by bureaucrats, with help from prominent Antis. Shooters' groups, including the SFC (which is the government-appointed governing body of the shooting sports in Canada and a part of the International Shooting Union), tried to help to design the Government course and were quietly but publicly told to butt out: their assistance was not required and would not be tolerated.
So what some of you guys are quoting is the straight Liberal-approved Party Line..... and you don't even know what has been done to you.... but from the heights of your own "expertise" you are going to criticise everybody else, anyway.
Let's get real, guys.
I will admit here and now that on several occasions during the last 55 years (verily, I weep at this iniquity!) I HAVE actually touched the trigger on a firearm. That this can be relatively safe might be indicated by the fact that my total slaughter toll in this period amounts to a single (wounded) fox and a dozen (cannibalising) gophers. I have also fired thousands of rounds at paper, clay, steel and other targets.... and each time, I have actually touched the trigger.
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Remember back when the FAC first came out? Likely most of you don't. I do: I was running a newspaper at that time. Originally, it was supposed to cost you 10 bucks and it was touted as good for life. Then the thing came out.... at 10 bucks, but with a time limit. And then the "costs" of the thing were going to be "rated" depending upon what you owned or wanted to own. For a while, it was going to be 50 bucks for Restricted (handguns and restricted rifles, which, at that time, was the FAL and the M-1 Carbine) and it was going to be 100 for FA. Ther was talk of adding up all the "costs" and talk of repeating them annually. I worked it out that it would have cost me better than $300 a year for my FAC..... and money was worth 5 times as much then. Converted Autos were not even mentioned, as they now were classed as semi-autos or as straight-pulls or as single-shots, whichever the "de-automaticking process" had rendered the poor things; I originally took care of that part with the Attorney-General of Newfoundland but Trudeau and his lackeys "tightened it up" for us.
Let's face it: we were going to be made into yet another tax base for the clowns in Ottawa to waste and plunder...... or is that plunder and waste..... sometimes I'm not sure. Anyway, an escalating scale WAS in the plans but even the Liberals could see that that just would make them FAR too many enemies. Too bad they realised that so late.
Now as to "qualifications" for getting the FAC. Originally, the "test" had not yet been invented. When it came along, I had to take it. Now, I ALREADY had firearms safety in Scouts, in Cadets, in the Militia AND I held the Shooter's Federation of Canada Firearms Safety Instructor's qualification with a mark of 100+ out of 100 points. As well, I had taken the Newfoundland Government's test. So I was qualified by one system or another with everything from a Cooey Canuck up to and including a .30 Browning, an FAL, Lee-Enfield Number 4 and 7 and, just for good measure, the 76.2mm Master Weapon on a Firefly, which happens to put out 1.98 MILLION ft/lbs ME per shot. I was qualified to hunt, gun on a tank, be a range officer for the Army or coach a team for the Olympics. But I had no pretty pieces of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT APPROVED paper, so I had to take the dreaded test.
I VERY nearly failed that one because I ASSUMED that loading a dummy round (with a bloody great hole drilled through it and no primer) into a rifle with the boltface welded solid, the firing-pin snapped off and a half-inch hole through the receiver ring and the chamber likely should not require first removing the bolt and gazing through the barrel to check for bore obstructions...... which was supposed to be done EVERY time the rifle was loaded. Hey, just TRY shooting a target string.... or a deer..... if you have to remove the bolt between shots!
What I discovered in that "test" had very little to do with safe firearms handling... and a HUGE amount to do with political correctness and sheer INDOCTRINATION, all the while instilling an atmosphere of FEAR and UNCERTAINTY. But that's how the Government of that time wanted us: brainwashed, afraid and unsure which side was even "up".... today. Tomorrow it might change.
You don't have to memorise and quote to the world the 4 Fs or the 5 Ws or the 37 Safe Rules of Handling in order to point a PROVEN EMPTY firearm at a light fixture, EVEN with (shock! shock! terror!) your finger on the trigger.
How ELSE do you learn the actual handling of a firearm...... as opposed to the put-it-in-a-glass-case-and-admire-the-thing-timidly-from-a-distance school of Government-approved practice?????????
The Government course is not the ONLY recipe for safe handling; it is simply the only one which the Government made up in order to raise the cost of firearms ownership. That course was designed by police and politicians and (mostly) by bureaucrats, with help from prominent Antis. Shooters' groups, including the SFC (which is the government-appointed governing body of the shooting sports in Canada and a part of the International Shooting Union), tried to help to design the Government course and were quietly but publicly told to butt out: their assistance was not required and would not be tolerated.
So what some of you guys are quoting is the straight Liberal-approved Party Line..... and you don't even know what has been done to you.... but from the heights of your own "expertise" you are going to criticise everybody else, anyway.
Let's get real, guys.
I will admit here and now that on several occasions during the last 55 years (verily, I weep at this iniquity!) I HAVE actually touched the trigger on a firearm. That this can be relatively safe might be indicated by the fact that my total slaughter toll in this period amounts to a single (wounded) fox and a dozen (cannibalising) gophers. I have also fired thousands of rounds at paper, clay, steel and other targets.... and each time, I have actually touched the trigger.
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